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To: cyncooper
And where do Brenda and Damon van Dam fit? Or are they already condemned?

You know, cyn......You few that get called VDAs can hardly get upset when you make a statement like this.

For one thing, Brenda and Damon are not on trial for their lives, nor has anyone murdered them.

Furthermore, their activities have been testified to by their own lips. It's not the case that someone is attempting to prove they are swingers......they are.

Obviously Dave Westerfield and his son look at pornography. For the record, I hate any kind of porn and child porn has to be the worst. It's very sick.

However, if that practice makes for a believable motive, a logical person cannot overlook the van Dams in the same breath. Heaven only knows what has gone on in that household.

As for BVD and DVD being equal in God's eyes, the answer is, "Absolutely." But.........that for which they are being "condemned" is not speculation or assumption. As for forgiveness....that is between them and God.

As for those that are so eager to defend them and downplay their swinging, it is morally and intellectually dishonest. Regardless of what degree they contributed to Danielle's fate, they played a role. If you can't see that by putting the pieces together, you are simply unwilling.

If David Westerfield can be proven beyond doubt (not yet, IMO) to have done this, he should pay with his life.

It's too bad there is not a punishment available that would render BVD and DVD incapable of continuing with their risky and disgusting behavior. I doubt their remaining children are all that safe, even as we speak.

626 posted on 07/27/2002 10:25:47 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Well said Southflanknorthpawsis!!
628 posted on 07/27/2002 10:30:38 AM PDT by Jaded
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Regardless of what degree they contributed to Danielle's fate, they played a role.

I do agree they indulged in what is to me sickening behavior. It is disgusting to me to think they would have sex with other partners, in front of each no less, for instance!

They were undeniably careless and made some terrible decisions i.e. leaving Danielle in the dressing room at Mervyn's.

I do think on the other hand they also had the kids involved in the normal activities kids that age are, and I don't think the kids were outright neglected.

I'm hoping they realize the sick and empty path they were on, acting on base impulses and indulging themselves as if they were still carefree teens without adult obligations.

630 posted on 07/27/2002 10:41:44 AM PDT by cyncooper
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