Posted on 07/14/2002 2:08:47 PM PDT by blam
Look at the original Hebrew word translated into "peacocks" and you'll see that in Hebrew it was pronounced "Tookees". Turkeys?
Because there is a quirk to the writing that wasn't understood until the '80s.
Long before the '80s.
What proof is there it was etched before Europeans set foot on America?
On a nearby rock there is a starmap, showing the year. The people who wrote on the rock were there before Jesus, the exact year was pinpointed. I don't remember the exact year. The rock is on a small mountain. The entire mountain has structures of a defensive fort-like site very similar to the way the Hebrew-speaking peoples did things then.
The fall of Rome certainly was traumatic after ~400 AD.
Or are you speaking of a climate event of some sort?
Thank You.
The speculation is that it is a celestial event, comets, meteorites, asteroids or the like.
Probably not. It is safe to say the Phoenicians are Hebrews, but not of the same line as Abraham. But they are probably not Semites, and certainly not Israelites, despite the fact that they have much the appearance of Israelites. They could easily be mistaken for Scandinavians; generally tall, fair complexions and with blond or red hair. (Red hair or red head is the meaning of the word "Phoenician".)
Their potential link with the Danites is a fascinating one, enhanced by their appearance. I've seen interesting arguments made to suggest the later Phoenicians are a mix of the originals and some Danites, the ones who escaped from Egypt early, along with Israelites from the tribes of Asher and Judah. These are the same Danites who cut such a wide swath up the Danube, Don, Dneiper and other rivers as suggested in earlier posts, and who probably are the name source for the nation DANMARK.
While actual evidence is thin to make ANY case for the Phoenicians, I'm inclined to go along with the latter.
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That really frustrating, isn't it? Been there and done that.
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I think there was a big one around 1300 A.D.
Oopsie. The Southern Kingdom which went into Babylonian captivity were not Anglo-Saxons. The Anglo Saxons came from the Northern Kingdom which went into Assyrian captivity, and upon breaking free burst onto history as The Celts. (For Details, please click on my Profile, below.)
But they all were of course cousins, and we assume all 12 tribes more or less freely intermingled up through the time the Davidic Kingdom split in 922 BC.
I read the original thread article to my kids this evening. Its conclusions are very similar to my rationale for their course studies in ancient history. I didn't come to the conclusion of global Phonecian maritime dominance recently or by the Bible. To me, as a former boat builder and student of architecture, art, engineering, and nature, I was drawn to those conclusions by observation. The architectural details were too similar. The glyphs were too similar in both use and detail. I also understood what a unique resource for shipbuilding that cedar really was. There are only 370 such trees left, most of them in a single grove. The hillside above them has been denuded by goats. It's political, and government land control is the culprit, just like it is here.
I suspect that a great deal more than we realize was lost with the sack of Carthage. What bits and pieces were left were probably buried even earlier in the conquest of Sicily and Sardinia.
The course I teach starts with geology and geography. It proceeds to weather and resource distribution. It then progresses through civilizations discussing how their technologies and cultures reflect those boundary conditions. I do wish I did have a better understanding of the migrations of the tribes of Israel. Some clearly displaced the Harrapans and the western migration to Ireland is fairly well established. Then there are the children of Ishmael. Clearly, the Phonecian culture is very influential today through its apparent influences in freemasonry. I don't know much about Zoroastrians. There are plenty of gaps that have to be filled opportunistically in instances such as this.
I am coming to the conclusion that God is making the progress of the tribes more obvious without giving us enough for the history to be totally proven. I am convinced He will demand a leap of faith to the end. I don't think that's really necessary seeing as those who would deny Him would do so even if He provided incontravertible evidence and put it up in lights. Whatever. I just do as I am told.
That's true. I always think of the Babylonians preceding the Assryians, Babylon sounds older because there is no Babylon anymore, whereas there is a "Syria". :^) At any rate, I think of both of them as the progenetors of modern Germans. German Germans, not German-Americans. The Germans that came here were Israelites for the most part, I believe, from the Israelite part of Germany.
But they all were of course cousins, and we assume all 12 tribes more or less freely intermingled up through the time the Davidic Kingdom split in 922 BC.
Dan and Asher were in Gaza, weren't they? Do you suppose that Portuguese means "Port of the Gazans"?
When I think of the Phoenicians, I think of a people that were libertarians. All they wanted to do was commerce. They didn't involve themselves politically with the countries they traded with. It doesn't seem they tried to run the world. They kept their secrets to themselves. They were mechanically inclined, building all kinds of things. It looks like to me the first great libertarian civilization. It's very telling that God destined them to the ash-heap of history with the Tyre and Zidon laments.
I think there was a big one around 1300 A.D.
Why? It doesn't show up in the tree rings. (maybe a small localized event?)
Yes it really is a case of there not being able to see the forest for all those trees! The sheer volume of people (as a percentage of the global whole) is so large they cannot be ignored. And when these "Celts" appear at the same time and same place the large volume of Northern Kingdom Israelites disappear, it makes ignoring the evidence impossible.
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