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A 'Marriage Strike' Emerges As Men Decide Not To Risk Loss
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | July 5, 2002 | Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson

Posted on 07/06/2002 5:00:19 AM PDT by buccaneer81

A 'marriage strike' emerges as men decide not to risk loss

By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson

Katherine is attractive, successful, witty, and educated. She also can't find a husband. Why? Because most of the men this thirtysomething software analyst dates do not want to get married. These men have Peter Pan syndrome: They refuse to commit, refuse to settle down, and refuse to "grow up."

However, given the family court policies and divorce trends of today, Peter Pan is no naive boy, but instead a wise man.

"Why should I get married and have kids when I could lose those kids and most of what I've worked for at a moment's notice?" asks Dan, a 31-year-old power plant technician who says he will never marry.

"I've seen it happen to many of my friends. I know guys who came home one day to an empty house or apartment - wife gone, kids gone. They never saw it coming. Some of them were never able to see their kids regularly again."

Census figures suggest that the marriage rate in the United States has dipped 40 percent during the last four decades to its lowest point since the rate was measured. There are many plausible explanations for this trend, but one of the least mentioned is that American men, in the face of a family court system hopelessly stacked against them, have subconsciously launched a "marriage strike."

It is not difficult to see why. Let's say that Dan defies Peter Pan, marries Katherine, and has two children. There is a 50 percent likelihood that this marriage will end in divorce within eight years, and if it does, the odds are 2-1 it will be Katherine, not Dan, who initiates the divorce. It may not matter that Dan was a decent husband. Studies show that few divorces are initiated over abuse or because the man has already abandoned the family. Nor is adultery cited as a factor by divorcing women appreciably more than by divorcing men.

While the courts may grant Dan and Katherine joint legal custody, the odds are overwhelming that it is Katherine, not Dan, who will win physical custody. Overnight, Dan, accustomed to seeing his kids every day and being an integral part of their lives, will become a "14 percent dad" - a father who is allowed to spend only one out of every seven days with his own children.

Once Katherine and Dan are divorced, odds are at least even that Katherine will interfere with Dan's visitation rights.

Three-quarters of divorced men surveyed say their ex-wives have interfered with their visitation, and 40 percent of mothers studied admitted that they had done so, and that they had generally acted out of spite or in order to punish their exes.

Katherine will keep the house and most of the couple's assets. Dan will need to set up a new residence and pay at least a third of his take-home pay to Katherine in child support.

As bad as all of this is, it would still make Dan one of the lucky ones. After all, he could be one of those fathers who cannot see his children at all because his ex has made a false accusation of domestic violence, child abuse, or child molestation. Or a father who can only see his own children under supervised visitation or in nightmarish visitation centers where dads are treated like criminals.

He could be one of those fathers whose ex has moved their children hundreds or thousands of miles away, in violation of court orders, which courts often do not enforce. He could be one of those fathers who tears up his life and career again and again in order to follow his children, only to have his ex-wife continually move them.

He could be one of the fathers who has lost his job, seen his income drop, or suffered a disabling injury, only to have child support arrearages and interest pile up to create a mountain of debt which he could never hope to pay off. Or a father who is forced to pay 70 percent or 80 percent of his income in child support because the court has imputed an unrealistic income to him. Or a dad who suffers from one of the child support enforcement system's endless and difficult to correct errors, or who is jailed because he cannot keep up with his payments. Or a dad who reaches old age impoverished because he lost everything he had in a divorce when he was middle-aged and did not have the time and the opportunity to earn it back.

"It's a shame," Dan says. "I always wanted to be a father and have a family. But unless the laws change and give fathers the same right to be a part of their children's lives as mothers have, it just isn't worth the risk."

Dianna Thompson is the founder and executive director of the American Coalition for Fathers and Children. She can be contacted by e-mail at DThompson2232@aol.com. Glenn Sacks writes about gender issues from the male perspective. He invites readers' comments at Glenn@GlennSacks.com.


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To: Motherbear
I think that both men and women have been absent in the marriage. If you put two people together who don't have a clue as to what commitment is about, and who have completely shallow concepts about life, things like adultery and divorce happen.
541 posted on 07/06/2002 8:04:40 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Motherbear
"So glad I married at twenty. We've never been with anyone else, and it wouldn't feel right to be with anyone else."

People who can do these things are bad material for permanent relationships.

542 posted on 07/06/2002 8:07:11 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Motherbear
There's a lot of women like living like that--maybe not as bad, but Joe Sixpack still isn't pulling his share around the house.

Now, that's one of the interesting sticking points. I think it illustrates one of those fundamental differences between men and women. Why? Because women and men differ greatly on just what needs to be done around the house. Women tend to (in my opinion, of course) overclean the house. I have mine cleaned once every 2 weeks. I clean the garage 2 times a year. Whether it needs it or not. I do dishes daily (almost), 3-4 loads of laundry a week, and mow the grass when it needs it. Throw in a little yard work, oil changes, take out the trash, and that kind of thing and I don't see how anybody needs to spend more than 10 hours a week taking care of the home. And, by the way, I'm not married - its all mine to do or not do.

So, I have to ask; Just how much should Joe Sixpack be doing around the house?

544 posted on 07/06/2002 8:18:39 PM PDT by meyer
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To: Motherbear
Been out swimming today and didn't see alot of this thread till now.......your very enlightened and the men here would do well to listen to you.

......me, I'm a divorcee so therefore I'm obviously just a bitter shrew ;-)

545 posted on 07/06/2002 8:21:12 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Motherbear
"Did you read my post?"

Yes, I did.

"These guys are PLAYING while their wives are working at home."

Ah! If they NEVER help around the house, I agree--they are being irresponsible and selfish.
547 posted on 07/06/2002 8:27:58 PM PDT by DennisR
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To: DennisR
I'm starting to see a pattern here; pure accusations by one person about "these guys playing" and not "carrying their share of work around the house". (Interestingly, it started with one guy in post #535 but suddenly became plural in post #540). But when you inquire as to how much work needs to be done, you get a non-answer.

I may be wrong but I think I'm seeing someone with either a chip on their shoulder or one that will say anything to further the cause.

549 posted on 07/06/2002 8:40:11 PM PDT by meyer
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To: SouthernFreebird
Oh, brother. You're back.
550 posted on 07/06/2002 8:40:37 PM PDT by buccaneer81
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To: Motherbear
I am not sure how widespread this model of yours is that husbands expect the wife to work full time and take care of the house and the kids without assistance. And I don't think that is what is driving up divorce rates. The analysis is far too superficial.
551 posted on 07/06/2002 8:50:13 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Nick Danger
Well at least I didn't call you an ambulance chaser lawyer, or an ACLU lawyer. Look to the positive.
552 posted on 07/06/2002 9:00:28 PM PDT by Torie
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To: buccaneer81
Just what is your problem with me? Is there one post where I called any man a name? or attacked him? I really don't understand the meaness from some of the men on this thread aimed at me.
553 posted on 07/06/2002 9:01:54 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: SouthernFreebird
Yes verbally kick them in the nuts with sublety and elan dear, if you feel yourself traduced. Men like strong woman, really they do, although that is not admissible in a public fora. But you will probably get freepmails asking you for a date. :)
554 posted on 07/06/2002 9:04:51 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Melas
Speaking solely for myself, I know that at 25 I was nothing more than an adolescent who shaved more often. She recounts her younger days similarly.

Sometime around the middle of the last century, the worst of all possible combinations arose. Children matured physically at an ever decreasing age, and matured mentally and emotionally at an increasing age.


A good point in itself. I'd say before World War I, people tended to mature a lot quicker then that do now. By the time you were 13 or 14, maybe just a tad bit later, you basically assumed adult resposibilities, if your family needed money, you got a full time job and so on. I talked to one lady where her great-grandmother was 14 when she married her husband and he was like 28, 30 or so. Of course, even then people did get married at an earlier age although age differences were not as huge as the example given above.

It seems like people mature a lot slower, generally, the repsonsibilities that a 14 year old would have 100 years ago would be greater than an 18 year or or even 21+ year old today. In today's world, I don't advocate young marriage like that, heck, it would be like giving a 16 year old the keys to a Ferrari. B-) Still, it is an interesting observation how society has changed that much.
555 posted on 07/06/2002 9:08:31 PM PDT by Nowhere Man
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To: Torie

Have Mercy! I'm from the South... I had to get the dictionary out for most of that post ;-)
556 posted on 07/06/2002 9:11:46 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: buccaneer81
I bet you had NO IDEA the crapstorm this thread was going to cause..

I know, I sure didn't.

557 posted on 07/06/2002 9:13:44 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
What's the record number of posts?

How long will they keep this thread up?

558 posted on 07/06/2002 9:16:54 PM PDT by happytobealive
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To: happytobealive
The record is in the thousands and I have no idea if "chit chat" threads are retained or not.
559 posted on 07/06/2002 9:19:07 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
(Or kill. Remember, till they are born your children aren't "yours" They can be legally murdered.)

Shoot, I'm beginning to suspect a trend among women who, I suspect, are discovering that many men don't want to marry women with children - so they do away with the kids, ala Susan Smith, and the recent reports of the women who "forgot" their babies in the car when it's 90 degrees out.

560 posted on 07/06/2002 9:20:27 PM PDT by 3catsanadog
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