Burst my bubble? Now, come on did you really read his entire bio? Everyone on this thread should, httpp://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu /matloff.html. After reading it let me know how many paragraphs you got through before you fell of your chair to the left.

First, the only item I saw that might lead me to beleive he had ever employed anyone was his stint as a software developer, but that doesn't mean employeer.

Next, outside of a almost perfect far left resume. I see one of his buds is our most respected Wen Ho Lee, and a Mr. Luh fired from NASA, perhaps he was one of those sorry foreign engineers you talk about. Mr M thinks they are victims

I will get to my final one after I relate a story. This past Christmas I was at my wife's office party where I ran into a Chinese couple. I got to talking and realized the husband was a big name in the software business, I am sure many would recognize it. I did and am not in the business.

We hit it off and got into a rather deep conversation. He told me he came here on a student visa just before T. Square. His wife, (girl friend when he left) was still finishing her nursing degree. He said that they knew if they married before he left that she would not be allowed to leave the country. So when he had finished his first year here she was finished with her degree. He found her a sponsor under H1B and she came. They were married, and when the authorities in China heard, they beat the hell out of her parents, many times over about a 6 mo period to try and get him to come back. The parents told them that they would take the beatings and not to ever return. He added that the Chinese are not going to loose their best to the US.

He went on to say that he and his wife have been told that if they ever come back for a visit as American Citizens they will not be allowed to leave ever. He also went on to tell me that now the Chinese are very carefull to be sure that they are holding enought of any abroad students relatives to insure that they will be back. I haven't heard anyone complaining about all the H1B's for Mainland China, are there any? Are you getting the picture?

I see Mr. Matloff is developing lots of software for the Chinese, in case you missed it, fourth paragraph of the bio.
It also sounded like rather powerfull stuff, but maybe you can tell me, it's not my field. Did it ever occure to you that perhaps there is another agenda at work here?

Since the Mainland Chinese are going to keep their best, and requiring most Multi Nationals to locate R&D in China as a condition of doing business wouldn't it be to their advantage to see to it that we are unable to get the best from any other country? Now I am not saying that all H1B's are the best I would suspect only 5%, but with China's 5 to 1 population advantage over us we will have to draw on that 5% best from all over the world to keep ahead of them in our last hope, R&D. Now wouldn't it be to their advantage to shut down any program we have that might do that for us?

I see almost nothing in his bio that indicates he is working for Americans as much as he is working for the Chinese. Perhaps you can show me the error of my thinking.

Since your link didn't work, I figured I'd go to the original link I posted and post his biography here for all to see..

Biographical Sketch

Norman Matloff
Department of Computer Science
University of California at Davis
(530) 752-1953
matloff@cs.ucdavis.edu

Dr. Norman Matloff is a professor of computer science at the University of California at Davis, and was formerly a professor of mathematics and statistics at that university. He is a former database software developer in Silicon Valley, and has been a statistical consultant for firms such as the Kaiser Permanente Health Plan. He has published numerous research papers in computer science and in theoretical and applied statistics, in fields such as parallel processing, data security, computer networks, and statistical regression analysis. He is the author of one textbook in computer science and another in statistics.

Dr. Matloff is a former appointed member of IFIP Working Group 11.3, an international committee concerned with database software security. His work on optical multiprocessor computers was awarded a U.S. patent.

He has been a recipient of the UC Davis Distinguished Public Service Award, in recognition of his work on social issues such as immigration and age discrimination (especially in the computer industry), his work in support of affirmative action, and his defense of Asian-American scientists who have been discriminated against in our national laboratories. He also has been the recipient of student-sponsored awards, Professor of the Year (Computer Science Dept., twice) and Outstanding Faculty Adviser (campus-wide).

Professor Matloff is also the author of several popular software packages, such as: KuaiXue, a Chinese-language software package; JSim, a Java-based discrete-event simulation program; and MulSim, multiprocessor simulator. He is the author of a number of widely-used tutorials on computer topics, such as: the Unix operating system; Linux (introduction to installation and use); tips on program debugging; and the LyX word processor.

Dr. Matloff also writes about social issues such as immigration, affirmative action, and age discrimination. He has served as an expert witness in litigation regarding the age discrimination issue in the software industry. He has presented invited testimony to the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives on a number of occasions, and his advice has been solicited by the federal Department of Commerce, Department of Health and Human Services and State Department, as well as the State of California Little Hoover Commission. His writings on immigration have been used as course materials at Stanford and Cornell Universities.

Dr. Matloff frequently serves as an invited panelist on computer industry hiring practices, in forums sponsored by industry, academia, government and public-affairs groups, such as the Stanford University Computer Project Conference, the Boston University Workshop on Migration of Foreign Scientists and Engineers to the United States, the ITAA/Dept. of Commerce Convocation, the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco, the Gartner Group Application Development Summit, MEPTECH, Silicon Valley Power Breakfast, Software Development Expo, the California Governor's Older Worker and Exemplary Employer Conference, etc. His recommendations on careers in the computer field has been occasionally sought by writers of career-advice columns, and syndicated columnist Joyce Lain Kennedy features Dr. Matloff's e-newsletter on career issues in her books, Resumes for Dummies, Job Hunting for Dummies and Cover Letters for Dummies.

Prof. Matloff also is often invited to speak to student groups, such as at UC Berkeley, the Stanford University Law School, and the Harvard University Law School Asian Pacific American Conference on Law and Public Policy. He has also given invited speeches at the high school level, such as "testifying" on the issues of immigration and affirmative action at the Berkeley High School Mock Congress.

Dr. Matloff has written articles (in many cases by invitation of the magazine or newspaper) for the New York Times, the Washington Post, Forbes Magazine, the Los Angeles Times, the Public Interest, the New Democrat (a publication of the Democratic Leadership Council), the National Review, and so on.

Professor Matloff has been interviewed or cited by virtually every national news outlet in the electronic and print media, such as the NBC Nightly News, ABC's World News Tonight, the CBS Evening News, CNN, NPR's All Things Considered, the PBS Newshour, CNBC, the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, Mother Jones, the New Republic, Time Magazine, the Wall Street Journal, Forbes Magazine, Investor's Business Daily, Business Week, US News and World Report, Science Magazine, Computerworld, and numerous others at local levels. He was the subject of a lengthy profile article in Salon online magazine.

Professor Matloff has been active in Chinese communities for over 20 years. His wife is a Chinese immigrant who works as a software engineer, and they are raising their daughter to be bilingual. He has also served as an instructor in adult ESL programs in San Francisco's Chinatown, both as a volunteer and as an employee.

In 1995 former University of California Regent Lester Hsin-Pei Lee appointed him to the Committee for Rational Relations with China,. In 1999 Dr. Matloff was invited to join the Steering Committee of the Dr. Wen Ho Lee Defense Fund; the committee, whose members include former UC Berkeley Chancellor Chang-Lin Tien and UCLA Asian-American Studies Center Director Don Nakanishi, is concerned that racial factors may have been involved in Dr. Lee's being terminated from his position at Los Alamos National Laboratories. Prof. Matloff has been outspoken in defense of Chinese-Americans who are victims of discrimination; see for instance his 1995 article on Dr. Raymond Luh, an immigrant engineer from Taiwan who suffered racial discrimination when he was fired from his job at NASA Ames.

A speaker of Chinese (Cantonese and Mandarin), Dr. Matloff has been interviewed by the two main Chinese-language newspapers in North America, (Sing Tao Daily) and (World Journal). He also conducted a reader survey for Sing Tao, and has been a guest on Bay Area Chinese-language TV and radio programs. He has been quoted on Chinese-American community issues by the New Republic, the San Jose Mercury News, AsianWeek, and so on.

Dr. Matloff is a former chair of the faculty affirmative action committee at UC Davis (click here for their annual report for that year), as well as a member of the corresponding statewide UC committee, and has been active in minority-oriented programs such as MAP, MORE and the Graduate Minority Forum. He has proposed a novel system for UC admissions, which is merit-based and would not take race into account but which would substantially increase racial diversity at each UC campus. See his Los Angeles Times op-ed, and his more recent op-ed in the San Francisco Chronicle, presenting the case of Lowell High School, a highly selective public "magnet school" in San Francisco, as an illustration of the need for, and potential benefit of, his proposed admissions policy. His ideas in those articles have been used by Urban League president Hugh Price, civil rights advocate Lani Guinier and UC Berkeley ethnic studies professors Ling-Chi Wang and Ronald Takaki.

First, the only item I saw that might lead me to beleive he had ever employed anyone was his stint as a software developer, but that doesn't mean employeer.

Uh, whoever claimed that the professor ever employed anybody? Not necessarily that he hasn't, but that claim was never made. He performs RESEARCH on trends in the software industry, and is considered an expert on the statistical analysis of those trends.

Next, outside of a almost perfect far left resume. I see one of his buds is our most respected Wen Ho Lee, and a Mr. Luh fired from NASA, perhaps he was one of those sorry foreign engineers you talk about. Mr M thinks they are victims

He was invited to join a committee looking into possible racial discrimination against Wen Ho Lee, he was not, as you assert, his 'bud'. I am unfamiliar with the Luh case. In case you're thinking that I'm against hiring ANY foreign engineers, that's not what I'm saying. I'm against the CURRENT H1B policy that allows just about ANY warm body from another country to come here and replace American workers. The FORMER policy required that the individual be considered an EXPERT in their line of work.

Now that I think of it, I suppose it would be an idea to post a little something about the Luh case that I just read..

Dr. Luh, an immigrant from Taiwan, gave up his legal battle a few months ago to overturn his 1992 firing by NASA Ames in Mountain View. Luh's firing appears to be the result of his exercising his right to free speech on the Internet---ironically, in which he opposed Pelosi's bills which would revoke China's Most Favored Nation (MFN) trade status if China failed to improve its human rights record.

NASA claims that Luh was terminated because his use of government computers to participate in an Internet electronic discussion group on China was unrelated to his work. Yet, in internal government documents obtained by Luh via the Freedom of Information Act, NASA admitted that it is common for employees to participate in nonwork-related Internet groups; it is a form of recreation (at no cost to NASA), no different from NASA's tennis courts. Indeed, NASA continues to make those groups freely accessible on NASA computers to this day.

So, it appears that Dr. Luh, a immigrant from TAIWAN, had offended somebody by posting articles AGAINST MFN for CHINA. Gee whiz, I wonder if he was a FREEPER!

He went on to say that he and his wife have been told that if they ever come back for a visit as American Citizens they will not be allowed to leave ever. He also went on to tell me that now the Chinese are very carefull to be sure that they are holding enought of any abroad students relatives to insure that they will be back. I haven't heard anyone complaining about all the H1B's for Mainland China, are there any? Are you getting the picture?

A) There are obviously H1Bs from China, as you just described one.

B) How do you know for sure that this fellow you were talking to was telling you the truth? Not that I'm saying it's not, but how would you know for sure?

C) I'm sure that in at least SOME of cases of H1Bs from China, they are here as spies for the Chinese, and as such, would not have ANY problem with the Chinese government for coming to work here in the US..

I see Mr. Matloff is developing lots of software for the Chinese, in case you missed it, fourth paragraph of the bio.

By 'lots of software', are you referring to the ONE Chinese language application he wrote called KuaiXue? You know, the one that teaches the Chinese language?

It also sounded like rather powerfull stuff, but maybe you can tell me, it's not my field. Did it ever occure to you that perhaps there is another agenda at work here?

I guess it'd have to be in order to teach such a difficult language such as Chinese. Another agenda? Yeah, maybe he's working for the government (hint: who would be interested in understanding Chinese text and communications?)

Since the Mainland Chinese are going to keep their best, and requiring most Multi Nationals to locate R&D in China as a condition of doing business wouldn't it be to their advantage to see to it that we are unable to get the best from any other country?

So what are you saying, China is forcing us to accept their H1B workers?

Now I am not saying that all H1B's are the best I would suspect only 5%, but with China's 5 to 1 population advantage over us we will have to draw on that 5% best from all over the world to keep ahead of them in our last hope, R&D. Now wouldn't it be to their advantage to shut down any program we have that might do that for us?

Not if those they are sending are here to collect data and return home with it.

I see almost nothing in his bio that indicates he is working for Americans as much as he is working for the Chinese. Perhaps you can show me the error of my thinking.

You falsely stated that the professor has written a plethora of applications for the Chinese, where in that context, he hasn't. He wrote a application that teaches the Chinese language, big difference. Additionally, he has performed much in the way of presenting important issues to the software community, as evidenced by the following excerpt..

Finally, although the professor, who does in fact work in a highly left leaning environment, isn't a radical leftist as you describe. He might not be a member of the John Birch society or subscribe to many conservative agendas, but that doesn't nullify every piece of work this man has done. You are engaging in character assination, as you have apparently given up on discussing the facts.