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If you would like to read more of Mr. Ross' views with an analysis art historically of how the art establishment became dominated by Modernist, anti-technique, anti-humanist and nihilistic ideology, read the ARC Philosophy at : http://www.artrenewal.org/articles/Philosophy/philosophy1.html
1 posted on 06/16/2002 11:24:54 AM PDT by vannrox
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Thanks for posting such an interesting article.
2 posted on 06/16/2002 11:43:04 AM PDT by balrog666
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To: vannrox
Tom Wolfe covered all this in 1981 in "From Bauhaus to our house"

So9

3 posted on 06/16/2002 12:09:51 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine
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Absolutely stunningly beautiful. The only one I'd ever seen before was of the young girl on the throne. Unfortunately, I'd seen each of the modernistic pieces dozens of times. I feel like I wuz robbed!
5 posted on 06/16/2002 3:27:44 PM PDT by AngrySpud
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To: vannrox
Bump for further consideration.
6 posted on 06/16/2002 3:41:51 PM PDT by cornelis
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As the child of two artists, and the husband of another, and the brother of two, it is refreshing for me to finally see someone point out the Emperor has no clothes.

I walked out of a recent "art" exhibition, between laughter and contempt.

There is a particular "stance" poseurs use at these follies, to impress their dates. You have all seen it.

7 posted on 06/16/2002 3:43:12 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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I know everything there is to know about art ...I just dont know what I like....(actually Im in the non dead artist camp myself as I am an artist and I dont want to be a dead one...)
8 posted on 06/16/2002 3:44:48 PM PDT by woofie
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From Salvador Dali's book 50 Secrets Of Magic Craftsmanship:

Ten rules for him who wishes to be a painter

1. Painter, it is better to be rich than poor; so learn how to make gold and precious stones come out of your brush.

2. Don't be affraid of perfection; you'll never attain it!

3. Begin by learning to draw and paint like the old masters. After that, you can do as you like; everyone will respect you.

4. Don't throw to the dogs either your eye or your hand or your brain, for you will need them all if you are to be a painter.

5. If you are one of those who believe that modern art has surpassed Vermeer and Raphael, don't read this book, just go right on in your blissful idiocy.

6. Don't vomit on your picture, because it is the picture which can vomit on you after you are dead.

7. No lazy masterpieces!

8. Painter, paint!

9. Painter, don't drink alcohol, and chew hassish only five times in your life.

10. If painting doesn't love you, all your love for her will be unavailing.

In 1936, in Paris, I visited an exhibition of so-called abstract painting in the company of the late Maurice Heine, the erudite specialist on the Marquis de Sade, and he noticed that during the whole visit my eyes kept coming back to a corner of the exposition room in which no work was being exhibited. "You seem to be systematically avoiding looking at the paintings," Heine said to me, "It's as though you were obsessed by something invisible!" "It's nothing invisible," I replied to reassure him, "I just can't help looking at that door--it is so well painted. It is by far the best painted thing in the whole exposition."

This was rigorously true. None of the painters who had hung their canvases in this room would have been capable of painting that door. And on the other hand, the house painter who had painted the latter would have been able very creditably to copy any one of the paintings exhibited! I myself was quite overcome by that door, and I wondered, with genuine curiosity, how many layers of paint there were, what proportion of oil and turpentine, to have produced a surface so homogenous, smooth and even, so noble in its material solidity, which had demanded a minimum of honest workmanship which none of the exhibiting artists came anywhere near posessing. Let us beware then, of that kind of would-be painting, whether abstract or non-abstract, surrealist or existentialist, whatever may be the pseudo-philosophic label it bears, but which a painter of doors would be capable of reproducing and copying satisfactorily in less than a half hour.


18 posted on 06/16/2002 5:57:05 PM PDT by weegee
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Thank you so much for this article and this link! I paint, realistic landscapes and still life (to the best of my ability), and this is EXACTLY what I've been saying for years. Sometime this century (probably less than 30 years from now), there's going to be a giant exhibit at the Smithsonian entitled "Art in the Twentieth Century: What Were They Thinking?" Then, they're going to sell it all of at the world's largest garage sale. The moderns and the abstract expressionists are out the door-- whatever they can't sell off, they'll just burn. It's garbage.

I may not be a great artist, but by God, I give it my best-- I pay attention to composition, accurate drawing, realistic color, and all the rest that goes into making a landscape you might want to walk into, or a still life that draws you to linger over it.

He nailed it when he said: when everything is art, nothing is art. Exactly. And, I believe that nothing has killed off the popular market for art more than these 20th century charlatans. People look this garbage and don't like it, but they don't want to say so, so they just keep quiet and buy prints of older artists work that they do like. Since they don't like it, but they know it is supposed to be "great" art, they just don't buy original art at all.

19 posted on 06/16/2002 5:59:57 PM PDT by walden
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A while back Forbes featured an article on the investment value of various collector items. One of the worst performers was modern art. Seems to also expose it for the fraud that it is. Antique guns by the way, were one of the best performers.
23 posted on 06/16/2002 7:01:50 PM PDT by rageaholic
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whatever they damn well wanted

[as I posted on the other thread] It is possible that this is the popular interpretation of modernism. I'm sure that many artists would vehemently disagree with modernism structured around anything so unprincipled--as many as there are others who aspire by doing whatever they want. But modernism is not a distinct school when defined by a ubiquitous empty willfulness. It has features and characteristics. One of these, which Ortega Y Gasset explains, is the private tendency of art. It is aristocratic, clubby, purposefully separate and purposefully abstract and shielded from knowledgeable penetration by the masses. When the popular mind aspires and pretends membership, only so many can see the humor in that.

Interesting post, vannrox

25 posted on 06/16/2002 7:06:41 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: vannrox
Good post.

Bookmarked.

27 posted on 06/16/2002 7:29:17 PM PDT by uglybiker
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I love feet. Modern art has no appeal for me. Feet do...


31 posted on 06/16/2002 8:18:14 PM PDT by LowOiL
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Sorry, I don't buy it. Imagine that you'd grown up with Bouguereau and Alma Tadema and saw little else each year. That glossy, sterile look that apes the Great Masters but doesn't equal their impact and contribution would drive you mad, if you wanted something more, better or different. If you still cared about art, you would jump at Matisse or Braque, Klimt or Kandinsky.

In fact, the article sets up a false comparison. Where are the impressionists? Where the expressionists? Why reduce art history to a conflict between empty academicism and wild primitivism? It distorts our view to reduce a continuum to two opposed extremes.

I suppose most modern art is "bosh." But that's also true of most academic art. It would be a good idea to revive the tradition of representational art that strives for accuracy. There is something primitive about 20th century art. But I'm not sure what's gained by forcing art into narrow rules. Anyway, here is someone who'd agree with you.

40 posted on 06/16/2002 9:49:54 PM PDT by x
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So when are you going to restore your profile to its former glory?
41 posted on 06/16/2002 11:25:32 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: vannrox
Ah, the classics.


49 posted on 06/17/2002 9:51:17 AM PDT by socal_parrot
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Thanks for this great post. I need to fill in the "missing years" of my education in "art," especially considering the fact that I'm an illustrator by trade (I won't use the term artist anymore since it is so bastardized). I'm glad that I skipped art school. My instincts were correct.

The paintings here give me something for which to strive.

63 posted on 06/19/2002 7:40:58 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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bump
65 posted on 07/09/2002 7:37:45 PM PDT by nutmeg
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"Modern Art" finally exposed to be the fraud that it is!
66 posted on 05/10/2003 7:49:23 AM PDT by uglybiker (Fishing: The only sport one can engage in while sitting down and drinking beer....I like to fish.)
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:-( ALl red x’s for me.


67 posted on 04/14/2007 7:33:44 PM PDT by bannie
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Great post. As a painter (not the day job, mind you) I paint very realistic work, especially things that have lots of reflections. But there is a sense that if you are not “out there” and ‘edgy’ you are not cool and part of the elite, so to speak.

I visited the Met and MOMA last year. MOMA was the biggest disappointment ever and actually made me slighty angry at what was called art.

My son (16) was totally unimpressed and said “I will scream if we see a canvas that’s all black that passes for art.” So what do you imagine was around the next corner?

There was one installation that was yarn taped to a wall. So he stood there, stroking his chin, walking back and forth and loudly exclaimed, “oh, I feel it! Amazing! This is incredible!” He made his point.


69 posted on 04/14/2007 8:42:48 PM PDT by turbocat
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