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"Modern Art" finally exposed to be the fraud that it is!
Art Renewal ^ | June 7 2001(2?) | by Fred Ross

Posted on 06/16/2002 11:24:54 AM PDT by vannrox

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To: walden
Dali had his silly moments, and his dealer certainly took advantage of him late in life, but by heaven, he could paint! (when he felt like it)

The Sacrament of the Last Supper

21 posted on 06/16/2002 6:08:19 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother
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To: AnAmericanMother
Well, I would like to nominate just o few of the most amazing artists. Perhaps you may agree with me:

William Bouguereau


Biblis
The Flagellation of Christ
Homer and his Guide
La Charite.
La Nymphee


Lawrence Alma-Tadema


Spring
The Finding of Moses.
The Women of Amphissa
The Roses of Heliogabalus
Sappho and Alcaeus
Phidias Showing the Frieze of the Parthenon to his Friends
The Frigidarium
The Colosseum
Strigils and Sponges


John William Godward


A Greek Beauty
In the Prime of the Summer Time
Ionian Dancing Girl
The Old Old Story
A Flower Seller



Jean-Leon Gerome


The Christian Martyrs' Last Prayer
Thumbs Down
Phryné before the Areopagus
The Grief of the Pasha
Un Bain Maure - Femme Turque au Bain
The Serpent Charmer
Harem in the Kiosk
Heads of the Rebel Beys at the Mosque of El Hasanein, Cairo
Diogenes



Pierre Auguste COT


Springtime
The Storm
Young Maiden Reading a Book



Sir Frank Francis Bernard Dicksee


The Mirror
Startled


Paul DELAROCHE


The Execution of Lady Jane Grey
Girl in a Basin (Unfinished)
22 posted on 06/16/2002 6:57:09 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
A while back Forbes featured an article on the investment value of various collector items. One of the worst performers was modern art. Seems to also expose it for the fraud that it is. Antique guns by the way, were one of the best performers.
23 posted on 06/16/2002 7:01:50 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: BluesDuke
For my own taste, there was but one 20th Century painter worthy of inclusion with the masters: Salvador Dali.

I'm more of an Escher fan myself.

To each his own.

24 posted on 06/16/2002 7:05:37 PM PDT by uglybiker
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To: vannrox
whatever they damn well wanted

[as I posted on the other thread] It is possible that this is the popular interpretation of modernism. I'm sure that many artists would vehemently disagree with modernism structured around anything so unprincipled--as many as there are others who aspire by doing whatever they want. But modernism is not a distinct school when defined by a ubiquitous empty willfulness. It has features and characteristics. One of these, which Ortega Y Gasset explains, is the private tendency of art. It is aristocratic, clubby, purposefully separate and purposefully abstract and shielded from knowledgeable penetration by the masses. When the popular mind aspires and pretends membership, only so many can see the humor in that.

Interesting post, vannrox

25 posted on 06/16/2002 7:06:41 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: AnAmericanMother
Yeah, Dali could paint, but I've always found him disturbing.

I'm a big fan of a lot of contemporary landscapists who work outdoors-- check out this site:

Plein Air Painters of America

This is my art:

LisaWalkerArt

All of my smaller landscapes plus my still lifes (excluding the bread and fruit) were done outdoors, on site. It's a huge challenge, with the light changing and everything, and sometimes I crash and burn, but when I get it right, it's great. :)

26 posted on 06/16/2002 7:20:47 PM PDT by walden
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To: vannrox
Good post.

Bookmarked.

27 posted on 06/16/2002 7:29:17 PM PDT by uglybiker
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To: AnAmericanMother
I'm not partial to Frazetta

I guess he's a "Guy" thing.
It was his covers to the Conan paperbacks with all the cuttin' & killin' I liked. : )

And . . . how do you load images into the text?

Very similar to what you are doing to create a "Hot Link".
For instance, to show one of the wildly good Wyeth paintings you linked to, type this:

<IMG SRC="http://www.tfaoi.com/am/10am/10am255.jpg">

To get this;


28 posted on 06/16/2002 7:57:48 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: walden
Wonderful work walden! Very good. At the beginning of the year I had made a vow to myself that I would drop decorative art and begin to study fine art. I have a French easel and a studio and all the tools I need. Then I was sidetracked back into decorative art because I can't say no to people who want to pay me to do it. Heck I am just glad I get paid for any art that I do!

Regarding the post the author refers to primitive art. I really like primitive art but not pretend primitive art which is what modern art is. Genuine primitive art by untrained artists, like Grandma Moses, has much more to offer humanity than the garbage that Picasso cranked out. I will never forget seeing an orginal Picasso in Neiman-Marcus. This was maybe 30 years ago. It was nothing more than stick man's face with a cigarette stuck in the mouth. The price was 3,000 dollars. It was a joke and I could only imagine Picasso inwardly detesting the people he was able to hoodwink into buying it.

29 posted on 06/16/2002 8:15:49 PM PDT by Theresa
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To: vannrox
WOW!
I just clicked on all your links.

If this stuff was being hung, I would be spending less time at FR and more time at museums.
(Is that good or bad? LOL!)

30 posted on 06/16/2002 8:16:10 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: vannrox
I love feet. Modern art has no appeal for me. Feet do...


31 posted on 06/16/2002 8:18:14 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: AnAmericanMother
Parrish may be the only one to have transitioned from commercial art to "serious" art in his own lifetime, but I think as time goes by some others are gaining the stature they deserve. One example, a personal favorite of mine, is Norman Rockwell. Though he is never mentioned when we discuss the great artists of the 20th century who better captured his era on canvas? It wasnt all corny stuff either. For instance, I think Girl At The Mirror tells a whole coming of age story quite effectively in a simple scene.

And now we see Rockwell hung in the Guggenheim. How about them apples?

32 posted on 06/16/2002 8:24:25 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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I am embarassed to admit this but I've never learned to post an image here. What do I do to post an image stored in my computer? Someone help please!!
33 posted on 06/16/2002 8:26:01 PM PDT by Theresa
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To: Theresa
What do I do to post an image stored in my computer? Someone help please!!

You cannot post from your own hard drive.
You must first upload the image to a server.
Many ISPs give you a little "Home Page" of your own when you sign up for their service where they can host your images.

My ISP, Bellsouth.net provides 10 mb and has an easy "Photo Album" feature that allows me to upload my photos etc.

It's where I keep my train signature when I'm doing an "Ayn Rand" type of post.

<img src="http://prod.bsis.bellsouth.net/coDataImages/p/Groups/26/26091/folders/11507/55723eddiewillers.jpg" width="48" height="48">

Equals

34 posted on 06/16/2002 8:49:00 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Theresa
Thanks, Teresa! I know that when you get to it, you'll have a wonderful time with fine art-- but I perfectly understand paying the bills, and it's great that you can do that using your artistic skills. I've painted with watercolors for about 4 years now, but I just started with oils last fall. Interestingly enough, I had been completely unable to work for about 6 weeks after 9/11, so to break my block I tried oils, and I loved them.

I agree with you on Grandma Moses vs Picasso, although I'm not a big fan of primitives in general. I prefer art that gives me the feeling of being in the scene, or with the person-- which to me, is mostly the capture of a realistic sense of light and space. A painting that does that can be tightly rendered or quite loose-- although I think that the looser one goes, the harder it is to capture that illusion. Of course, the appearance of tightness can be merely the illusion created by perfect brushstrokes-- I'm told that if you look at Sargent's portraits up close, it's astonishing how few brushstrokes he used.

35 posted on 06/16/2002 9:04:19 PM PDT by walden
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To: pepsi_junkie
Rockwell is an underrated modern American master-- although I agree, appreciation for him is building.
36 posted on 06/16/2002 9:06:10 PM PDT by walden
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To: BluesDuke
Picasso was not untalented...

Hm. I've actually heard that Picasso was extremely mediocre before he perfected his scam. But I've never seen anything where it was obvious to me that he was "trying."

Mine is obviously a minority opinion, but every time I see a picture OF (not BY) Picasso, I get the feeling that he's thinking "These idiots actually think I'm a genius." Picasso was definitely a master of the con job.

I took my daughter to the Seattle Art Museum (or something with a name like that) three years ago. On an upper floor was a room filled with beds, stacks of mattresses, and toilets. It was not a storage room, but "art". Yeah. Furniture Barn or a masterpiece for the Art Establishment? I'm glad other people see through this trash. I thought I was alone.

37 posted on 06/16/2002 9:29:02 PM PDT by Semi Civil Servant
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To: eddie willers
Okay thanks!
38 posted on 06/16/2002 9:34:27 PM PDT by Theresa
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To: uglybiker
I like Escher's work, most particularly his inks, but I'm not entirely convinced he was Dali's superior.
39 posted on 06/16/2002 9:45:21 PM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: vannrox
Sorry, I don't buy it. Imagine that you'd grown up with Bouguereau and Alma Tadema and saw little else each year. That glossy, sterile look that apes the Great Masters but doesn't equal their impact and contribution would drive you mad, if you wanted something more, better or different. If you still cared about art, you would jump at Matisse or Braque, Klimt or Kandinsky.

In fact, the article sets up a false comparison. Where are the impressionists? Where the expressionists? Why reduce art history to a conflict between empty academicism and wild primitivism? It distorts our view to reduce a continuum to two opposed extremes.

I suppose most modern art is "bosh." But that's also true of most academic art. It would be a good idea to revive the tradition of representational art that strives for accuracy. There is something primitive about 20th century art. But I'm not sure what's gained by forcing art into narrow rules. Anyway, here is someone who'd agree with you.

40 posted on 06/16/2002 9:49:54 PM PDT by x
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