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Once a man ...
Foxnews.com ^ | March 15, 2002 | AP

Posted on 03/15/2002 8:14:03 AM PST by ArGee

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:32:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Khepera
OUCH.....I think that's exactly what J'Noel did.
41 posted on 03/16/2002 4:56:39 AM PST by EODGUY
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To: EODGUY
Ok Mr. smarty pants its too early in the morning for your cutting edge humor!

Get it? Cutting edge!! snicker

42 posted on 03/16/2002 5:01:13 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Dakmar
Exactly! It's superficial, and actually quite sick if you think of all the details involved, which I don't anymore.

Rosie O'Donnel for instance...

Everything about her is a lie. She is not a parent - - there are no children that are the product of her ovaries. She wants children but claims she is homosexual - - the desire to have children is a heterosexual desire. Rosie just can't make up her mind. By definition, homosexuals do not reproduce - - it is self-imposed sterility.

Gay advocates of "domestic partnerships" are in effect saying to other homosexuals, that it is only acceptable to be "gay" as long as other homosexuals conform to their hypocritical standard of monogamy. The general public discussion about marriage, homosexuality and "domestic partners," does not address the central issue - - monogamy is a sectarian establishment of religion in the law and violates the First Amendment’s prohibition "regarding an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Various homosexual pressure groups that claim to support "equality" never address bisexuality and the idea that a bisexual is not allowed to benefit from relationships with persons of both sexes. Nor are they, the Left Wing Media, and Left Wing Educational Establishment willing to discuss polygyny or polyandry, which are, or have been traditions for Muslims, Mormons, Hebrews, Hindus, Buddhists and Africans, as well as other Pagan cultures. The two sides currently represented in the same-sex marriage debate both want special rights for monogamists. However, the proponents of heterosexual only marriages are willing to concede that a homosexual has just as much a right to marry a person of the opposite sex as any heterosexual does. [Incidentally, the desire to have children is a heterosexual desire.]

Nowhere in the religious texts of the above mentioned cultures is there a prohibition of polygamy and I challenge any scholar of theology, literature or history to refute it with proof from the Judeo-Christian Bible, Holy Qur’an, Mahabharata, Rig Veda, or Dhammapada. The ignorance of these historical and cultural facts is evidence of the failed public education system and the fig leaf covering the personal bias of certain staff members in the Left Wing Press and Left Wing Educational Establishment concerning facts, reporting them and/or teaching them.

To allow an institution of homosexual marriage in a monogamous form requires some sort of moralistic meandering to justify it and prohibit any form of polygamy. Upon what basis, if we are to assume it is discrimminatory to not allow homosexuals to "marry," can there be a prohibition of the varying forms of polygamy? Especially, since the First Amendment is specific in forbidding an establishment of religion in the law and is supposed to protect the people's right to assemble peaceably? The entire issue of "same-sex" marriage hinges upon the assumption that monogamy is the only form of marriage. I contend that it is based upon human biological reproduction and is outside of the government's authority to regulate in regard to the First Amendment...

To bolster some of my assertions:

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"What gay ideologues, inflated like pink balloons with poststructuralist hot air, can't admit, of course, is that heterosexuality is nature's norm, enforced by powerful hormonal cues at puberty. In the past decade, one shoddy book after another, rapturously applauded by p.c. reviewers, has exaggerated the incidence of homosexuality in the animal world and, without due regard for reproductive adaptations caused by environmental changes, toxins or population pressure, reductively interpreted bonding or hierarchical behavior as gay in the human sense."

About the writer: Camille Paglia is professor of humanities and media studies at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia.

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The issue of polygamy is an Achille's heel for both popular sides of the same-sex marriage issue. The advocates have to resort to a litany of moralistic meandering based upon the creationist philosophy they claim to oppose to justify it. Both want special rights for preferred groups and are not interested in the individual freedoms of free association. They both want an establishment of religion in the law no matter how much they will deny that.

Unless you like conforming to the gay religionist dictates, I suggest you and others re-examine the B.S. the guardians of political correctness on the Religious Left have been feeding you.

The First Amendment is very unambiguous. The creationist cultural patent of monogamy is an establishment of religion in the law. The idea that some people get a preferred status based upon their personal relationships goes against the idea of individual rights and the idea of equal protection before the law. What of the people's right peaceably to assemble? It does not take an advanced legal education to comprehend the very clear language of the First Amendment. I say the federal and state governments have no Constitutional authority to be in the marriage business at all, except where each individual has a biological responsibility for any offspring they produce. With "reproductive rights," there must be reproductive responsibilities.

In addition, prohibition of polygyny, polyandry and various forms of polygamy (which includes bisexuals) is not consistent with Roe v. Wade - - society has no right to intervene in private reproductive choices. The recent case of a polygynist being prosecuted in Utah is a great example. Do the women associated with the man who fathered those children have a "right to choose" who they want to mate and produce offspring with? Does the man have a right to choose concerning the production of his progeny? Roe v. Wade says societal intervention in private reproductive choices is a violation of individual liberties. What implication does this also have concerning welfare and public funding of abortions? The issue of polygamy tears down a lot of the sacred cows...

THINK NOT ABOUT WHAT I SAY, BUT WHY I AM SAYING THIS...

The so-called empowerment of women and rights of women have been appropriated by a few to mean rights of the few and no longer means an individual woman’s right to equal treatment. Some would emphasize the "inalienable right" of women to decide whether or not to bear a child. This has the effect of defining women as reproductive units rather than as human beings. Real women’s rights would emphasize greater opportunities for education and employment instead of emphasizing a cult of fertility which leads to economic dependency on men and the rest of society, including homosexual men and women who do not reproduce.

The inaccuracies concerning the political economy of sex as portrayed by pro-"choice" advocates deserve a thorough review: Reproductive "choice" is made when two heterosexual people decide to engage in adult relations, not after the fact. The desire to have children is a heterosexual desire. Provided it is a consenting relationship, no woman is forced to become pregnant. Modern science and capitalism (see: Ayn Rand’s Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal and Camille Paglia’s Sexual Personae) have provided methods to give women pre-emptive power over the forces of nature. No woman has control over her body; only nature does. It is modern Western Civilization that gives women power over nature, not Roe v. Wade. [Incidentally, Roe v. Wade, if strictly interpreted, would prohibit public funding for abortion since public funding for abortion is a form of societal intervention in reproduction - - the very thing prohibited by Roe v. Wade.] One may reply Roe v. Wade is part of a larger good called "women’s rights," but this is really a disguise, consigning other women (those who don’t reproduce or those who oppose abortion) to second class citizenship.

This topic is applicable to homosexuality, both the male and female variety, as well as to sexual crimes. The choice to engage in any type of sexual activity is an individual’s, provided of course, he or she is not victim of a sexual assault. It is absurd to claim the rapist has no control over his actions and it is equally ridiculous to say a homosexual does not have a choice not to involve him or herself with another. The same is true for heterosexual females - - being a woman is not an excuse for making poor choices. The idea that "the choice to have an abortion should be left up to a woman" does not take into account the lack of a choice to pay for such services rendered: The general public is forced to pay massive subsidies for other people sex lives. Emotive claims that the decision to have an abortion is a private one is refuted by the demands of those same people who want public funding for their private choices and/or mistakes.

An adult male or female can be sent to the penitentiary for engaging in carnal pleasures with a minor. One female schoolteacher had become the focus of national attention because she produced a child with her juvenile student. She went to prison while pregnant the second time from the very same child student. Courts allowing a minor female to have an abortion without parental consent or notification can destroy evidence of a felony (such as molestation, rape or incest). Those courts and judges therein have become complicit in the destruction of evidence and are possible accessories in the commission of a felony.

Another source of amazement is the concept of those who hold candlelight vigils for heinous murderers about to be executed, a large number of whom think it is acceptable to murder an unborn child without the benefit of a trial. Is the "right to life" of one responsible for much murder and mayhem more important than that of a truly innocent unborn child? Perhaps we should call capital punishment "post-natal abortion" and identify abortion as a "pre-natal death sentence" or "pre-natal summary execution."

43 posted on 03/16/2002 5:22:36 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Khepera
Welcome home Mr. Dashwood. Will you be having tea?

No. Introduce a lady of cheerful disposition and get some coffee. My Deputy Postmaster General, Mr. Franklin, is arriving with news of the colonies. They don't care much for tea...

44 posted on 03/16/2002 5:28:23 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
So will you be returning to West Wycombe Park soon? Are you here to direct the 'Knights of St. Francis', or the 'Monks of Medmenham' in helping the colonies to achieve Independence or are we getting together to celebrate women in wine and to give more zest to a festive meeting? I need to know sir that I may dress appropriately as it is chilly in the harbour this evening. Will I need a musket or shall I dress lightly for the evening rituals?
45 posted on 03/16/2002 5:57:05 AM PST by Khepera
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Extremely interesting article Mr. Dashwood. So I assume I'll need my musket instead of the muscatel! Perhaps you should repost that as a major topic.
46 posted on 03/16/2002 6:15:45 AM PST by Khepera
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To: ArGee
But he wasn't a man anymore. She was a woman. I don't think this decision is right.
47 posted on 03/16/2002 8:31:37 AM PST by realpatriot71
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To: Dakmar
A little off topic, but I've always wondered why medical professionals would even do these surgeries.

Sexual determination during embryogenesis is a very delicate procedure. If even as little as one rececptor on a cell is damaged or missing the proper chemical signals cannot be given the cells. In these cases what should have been a boy is now a girl or something in between (depends on when during embryogenesis the problem occured). Medicine used to turn these intersexed individuals into girls. However, often the brain is not that of a girl but a boy or visa versa. So today medicine prefers to the leave the intersexed child alone and see which way the child goes, as we all know there are activities that relate to boys and those activites that relate to girls, especially when they are young.

I see many people here grouping the intersexed with the homosexual. The intersexed seriously were BORN that way. They cannot help it. Homosexuals make a choice. There's a difference.

48 posted on 03/16/2002 8:38:25 AM PST by realpatriot71
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
No matter how many X chromosones there are, any individual with a Y chromosone developes into a male.

You are able to throw out the lingo, but you know nothing about this topic, obviously.

Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS) occurs in individuals who are XY, but develop in females. Maybe you should do some reading on it.

49 posted on 03/16/2002 8:47:09 AM PST by realpatriot71
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To: Khepera
So will you be returning to West Wycombe Park soon? Are you here to direct the 'Knights of St. Francis', or the 'Monks of Medmenham' in helping the colonies to achieve Independence or are we getting together to celebrate women in wine and to give more zest to a festive meeting? I need to know sir that I may dress appropriately as it is chilly in the harbour this evening. Will I need a musket or shall I dress lightly for the evening rituals?

Judging from just one particular response, I would venture to say bring a generous portion of powder and your sword as well. A very wise and courageous General Washington will direct you to the proper assignment. I have duties to attend at home with the Buck's Militia and need to talk some sense into Parliament. The King is truly mad, as are some of his subjects. The intrigues of the Royal Court cannot be left unattended. There is much to do...

51 posted on 03/16/2002 1:53:29 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: realpatriot71
But he wasn't a man anymore. She was a woman. I don't think this decision is right.

NO OVARIES = NO WOMAN. Genetically still male - Y chromosone...

52 posted on 03/16/2002 2:02:22 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Just wondering what your experience in developmental biology is if any?
53 posted on 03/16/2002 2:08:20 PM PST by realpatriot71
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To: realpatriot71
You are able to throw out the lingo, but you know nothing about this topic, obviously.

More than you would:

Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS) occurs in individuals who are XY, but develop in females. Maybe you should do some reading on it.

Y is not expressed, however it is still male and has no ovaries.

They are still genetically male or female.They are sterile. XO (Turner syndrome), XXY (Klinefelter syndrome), XXX (poly-X syndrome), and XYY (Jacob syndrome). No matter how many X chromosones there are, any individual with a Y chromosone develops into a male.

These abnormalities are so few, only one in thousands occur.

So much for the "gay" gene - - it does not exist.

54 posted on 03/16/2002 2:18:35 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: realpatriot71
Just wondering what your experience in developmental biology is if any?

Your papers please Amerikaner?

55 posted on 03/16/2002 2:22:36 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Khepera
Perhaps you should repost that as a major topic.

Already have. First of FR posts. See profile...

56 posted on 03/16/2002 2:33:03 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: realpatriot71
I see many people here grouping the intersexed with the homosexual. The intersexed seriously were BORN that way. They cannot help it. Homosexuals make a choice. There's a difference.

Accurate in the sense of choice. On a genetic level it is one or the other. The incidence of such cases is only one in several thousands.

There is no "gay" gene.

57 posted on 03/16/2002 2:37:21 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: kiltmaker
Did you explain WHY Scots wear kilts? Temperature of certain anatomical features lends itself to greater fertility. The Scots were pretty perceptive on this point...
58 posted on 03/16/2002 2:42:31 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Will you be staying in West Wycombe Sir? Seems a bit removed for travel to Parliament regular. You'll say hello to Mr. Borgnis I hear he has done a fine job for you and I'm sure he is missed in Milan. You must be proud of the frescos he has done for you. Be sure to look up Sir Thomas Stapleton I have heard he has a proposition for you.

I do so hope Mr. Washington has something more exciting than the tattering nabobs that usually prance forth all blustered and fidgety too scared to act. This time we should shoulder our responsibilities like men. The King has been quite puckish with the colonies taxes and we have seen an end to our patience with your parliament. Tell them we will continue our work if need be.

Fay Ce Que Voudras (Do as you will)

59 posted on 03/16/2002 7:06:59 PM PST by Khepera
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
There is no "gay" gene.

I never said there was . . .

60 posted on 03/16/2002 11:39:53 PM PST by realpatriot71
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