[Burr5]

Of Course you are wrong. (just trying to stir up something more provacative than a discussion of recipes here-no offense). Boromir wanted to use the Ring, but WAS NOT committed to the idea of stealing it throughout the Fellowship's journey. He obviously succumbed to its corrupting influence late in the journey, and then redeemed himself. But the idea that he was a scheming bastard all though the second book in the Fellowship is false. He fell off the wagon in a heartbeat. Important distinction. :)

[carton253]

Obviously you did not read my posts very well.

[carton253]

I agree with you on trying to have the conversation to be more than about seed cakes, wings, and pints.

And obviously you did read my posts and I did not read yours very thoroughly...

To say that Boromir fell off the wagon in a heartbeat negates why he came to Rivendell in the first place.

He came looking for help in the defense of Gondor. He thought he was entitled to that help because only Rohan was helping in the defense of Middle Earth against Mordor.

When he saw the ring, his eyes glinted so Tolkien wrote...

To me (and everything here is opinion so there really is no right or wrong as in a test... if you believe Boromir fell off the wagon, that's fine...) Boromir came looking for help, and the moment the ring appeared and was identified as the one ring... Boromir understood it to be a weapon.

[carton253]

Regarding Boromir... I considered your question all weekend long. Did Boromir intend to take ring the whole time, or did he fall off the wagon?

In the Two Towers, when Sam is talking to Faramir in the chapter "Window on the West", Sam says about Boromir. "I watched him from Rivendell onward and it was clear that he watched my master. In Lorien, I became convinced he would take the ring."

Also, Faramir is not surprised that Boromir made a play for the ring.

In Return of the King, when Faramir returns and Denethor finds out that he did not take the ring when he could have, Denethor said that Boromir would have brought him the ring. In fact, Denethor fully expected Boromir to bring him the ring.

And lastly, Gandalf tells Denethor that he did not trust Boromir.

So, it is my contention that Boromir planned to take the ring the whole time... to use the ring as a weapon for the defense of Gondor.