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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
Vim, I think the place is clean enough....

Sit down.... Master Dwarf, have a smoke and take a load off!

We should get these orc corpses out of here, but we can help you with that later.

32,061 posted on 10/09/2002 12:00:37 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
LOL! I just love that picture of Gimli sitting there on that dead orc with that arrow sticking out of it!

Too funny! I can't wait I really can't wait!
32,062 posted on 10/09/2002 12:02:41 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog
Weren't they the ones seated on either side of Elrond (and looking snooty) at the Council?

Could be! Has anyone checked the end credits to see if they are listed? Although without a speaking part, they may not be listed as themselves...

"Elf #3 at Council"...

32,063 posted on 10/09/2002 12:02:50 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh, I just noticed his axe! Wedged in the orc's head! ROFLOL
32,064 posted on 10/09/2002 12:03:16 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
I should have warned you about the elf-bashers.

We are NOT ALL elf-bashers around here... (you will notice that many of the same offenders responsible for the SPAM posts for the precious also like to bash our friends the elves.

-Hair the Elf-Friend.
32,065 posted on 10/09/2002 12:03:43 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
I just noticed that too! classy touch...
32,066 posted on 10/09/2002 12:04:36 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
That's obviously Legolas' green feathered arrows...I saw them when the Rohirrim were riding around them...he didn't do near as good as Gimli did on this particular orc, did he?? ROFLOL!!
32,067 posted on 10/09/2002 12:04:40 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sit down.... Master Dwarf, have a smoke and take a load off!

Thanks. I love that picture of Gimli. Exactly how I feel right now (having just completed month end closing of the books). Pardon my temporary giddy insanity.....

32,068 posted on 10/09/2002 12:05:11 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: ksen; Bear_in_RoseBear; Overtaxed; Corin Stormhands; rightwingreligiousfanatic; RosieCotton
Y'all like Fawlty Towers? Imagine that...I 've got half dozen episodes tucked away at home...

My favorite is Blackadder with Rowan Atkinson...simply brilliant... I've taken a liking to Red Dwarf as well...

32,069 posted on 10/09/2002 12:05:28 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: ksen
Hmm, if I recall, you were glad Glorfindel was cut out too...

Darn shame, him being a great Elf lord who killed a Balrog and everything...

32,070 posted on 10/09/2002 12:06:51 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Thanks Bear!

I've been busy today and I couldn't get back in here to feed you guys!

I brought some BBQ ribs and cole slaw, potato salad, corn on the cob and baked beans for anyone who is ready for a late lunch though!

Shhhh!! I've brought some beer from Butterbur in Bree. You know it's STILL good after all these long years! :)

32,071 posted on 10/09/2002 12:07:45 PM PDT by RMDupree
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To: 2Jedismom
I really can't wait either!


32,072 posted on 10/09/2002 12:08:22 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
mmmf... that arrow seems to be lodged in a particularly sensitive portion of the anatomy....
32,073 posted on 10/09/2002 12:09:04 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RMDupree
Thanks RMD! - I am hungry, now that you mention it!
32,074 posted on 10/09/2002 12:09:16 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I love that pic... Gimli really gets into his work, doesn't he...

do you think he was just trying to find a convenient place for his axe?...

32,075 posted on 10/09/2002 12:09:18 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: HairOfTheDog
So that orc got shot in the rump before sustaining a fatal headache.

Or else Legolas is shooting at the orc posthumously and trying to make Gimli nervous...
32,076 posted on 10/09/2002 12:09:21 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: g'nad
Yes, enjoy Fawlty Towers here too... but Blackadder is one of my absolute favorites! Especially the second series. :)
32,077 posted on 10/09/2002 12:10:48 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: RMDupree
I brought some BBQ ribs and cole slaw, potato salad, corn on the cob and baked beans for anyone who is ready for a late lunch though!

RM, has anyone told you that you are a delightfully rejuvenating presence around here? Thanks so much for all you do....

32,078 posted on 10/09/2002 12:11:05 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Hmm, if I recall, you were glad Glorfindel was cut out too...

I remember saying I liked Glorfindel, although I may have mentioned something about him having a sissy name, but then, what Elf doesn't?

32,079 posted on 10/09/2002 12:11:55 PM PDT by ksen
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To: RosieCotton
I want that series, too!

I got the 3 disc set at Best Buy for $50.

32,080 posted on 10/09/2002 12:12:23 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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