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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed
Frodo can grow facial hair!

Quick OT! Get yer cat to lick that fuzz off'n Woods' face...

Take my advice Woods...don't grow facial hair until you can grow facial hair...

29,921 posted on 10/03/2002 11:39:00 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: RMDupree
OK, long post, because I hate to do any snipping of this part...

From the appendix:

When the Great Ring was unmade and the Three were shorn of their power, then Elrond grew weary at last and forsook Middle-earth, never to return. But Arwen became as a mortal woman, and yet it was not her lot to die until all that she had gained was lost.

'As Queen of Elves and Men she dwelt with Aragorn for six-score years in great glory and bliss; yet at last he felt the approach of old age and knew that the span of his life-days was drawing to an end, long though it had been. Then Aragorn said to Arwen:

' "At last, Lady Evenstar, fairest in this world, and most be-loved, my world is fading. Lo! we have gathered, and we have spent, and now the time of payment draws near." 'Arwen knew well what he intended, and long had foreseen it; nonetheless she was overborne by her grief. "Would you then, lord, before your time leave your people that live by your word?" she said.

' "Not before my time," he answered. "For if I will not go now, then I must soon go perforce. And Eldarion our son is a man full-ripe for kingship."

'Then going to the House of the Kings in the Silent Street, Aragorn laid him down on the long bed that had been prepared for him. There he said farewell to Eldarion, and gave into his hands the winged crown of Gondor and the sceptre of Arnor, and then all left him save Arwen, and she stood alone by his bed. And for all her wisdom and lineage she could not forbear to plead with him to stay yet for a while. She was not yet weary of her days, and thus she tasted the bitterness of the mortality that she had taken upon her.

' "Lady Undómiel," said Aragorn, "the hour is indeed hard, yet it was made even in that day when we met under the white birches in the garden of Elrond where none now walk. And on the hill of Cerin Amroth when we forsook both the Shadow and the Twilight this doom we accepted. Take counsel with yourself, beloved, and ask whether you would indeed have the wait until I wither and rail from my high seat unmanned and witless. Nay, lady, I am the last of the Númenoreans and the latest King of the Elder Days; and to me has been given not only a span thrice that of Men of Middle-earth, but also the grace to go at my will, and give back the gift. Now, therefore, I will sleep.

' "I speak no comfort to you, for there is no comfort for such pain within the circles of the world. The uttermost choice is before you: to repent and go to the Havens and bear away into the West the memory of our days together that shall there be evergreen but never more than memory; or else to abide the Doom of Men."

' "Nay, dear lord," she said, "that choice is long over. There is now no snip that would bear the hence, and I must indeed abide the Doom of Men, whether I will or I nill: the loss and the silence. But I say to you, King of the Númenoreans, not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive."

' "So it seems," he said. "But let us not be overthrown at the final test, who of old renounced the Shadow and the Ring. In sorrow we must go, but not in despair. Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!"

' "Estel, Estel!" she cried, and with that even as he took her hand and kissed it, he fell into sleep. Then a great beauty was revealed in him, so that all who after came there looked on him in wonder; for they saw that the grace of his youth, and the valour of his manhood, and the wisdom and majesty of his age were blended together. And long there he lay, an image of the splendour of the Kings of Men in glory undimmed before the breaking of the world. 'But Arwen went forth from the House, and the light of her eyes was quenched, and it seemed to her people that she had become cold and grey as nightfall in winter that comes without a star. Then she said farewell to Eldarion, and to her daughters, and to all whom she had loved; and she went out from the city of Minas Tirith and passed away to the land of Lórien, and dwelt there alone under the fading trees until winter came. Galadriel had passed away and Celeborn also was gone, and the land was silent. 'There at last when the mallorn-leaves were falling, but spring had not yet come, she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.

'Here ends this tale, as it has come to us from the South; and with the passing of Evenstar no more is said in this book of the days of old.'


29,922 posted on 10/03/2002 11:39:47 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RMDupree
There is a sad story of Arwen in the Appendices...

' "Lady Undómiel," said Aragorn, "the hour is indeed hard, yet it was made even in that day when we met under the white birches in the garden of Elrond where none now walk. And on the hill of Cerin Amroth when we forsook both the Shadow and the Twilight this doom we accepted. Take counsel with yourself, beloved, and ask whether you would indeed have the wait until I wither and rail from my high seat unmanned and witless. Nay, lady, I am the last of the Númenoreans and the latest King of the Elder Days; and to me has been given not only a span thrice that of Men of Middle-earth, but also the grace to go at my will, and give back the gift. Now, therefore, I will sleep.

' "I speak no comfort to you, for there is no comfort for such pain within the circles of the world. The uttermost choice is before you: to repent and go to the Havens and bear away into the West the memory of our days together that shall there be evergreen but never more than memory; or else to abide the Doom of Men."

' "Nay, dear lord," she said, "that choice is long over. There is now no snip that would bear the hence, and I must indeed abide the Doom of Men, whether I will or I nill: the loss and the silence. But I say to you, King of the Númenoreans, not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall. As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last. For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men, it is bitter to receive."

' "So it seems," he said. "But let us not be overthrown at the final test, who of old renounced the Shadow and the Ring. In sorrow we must go, but not in despair. Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!"

' "Estel, Estel!" she cried, and with that even as he took her hand and kissed it, he fell into sleep. Then a great beauty was revealed in him, so that all who after came there looked on him in wonder; for they saw that the grace of his youth, and the valour of his manhood, and the wisdom and majesty of his age were blended together. And long there he lay, an image of the splendour of the Kings of Men in glory undimmed before the breaking of the world.

'But Arwen went forth from the House, and the light of her eyes was quenched, and it seemed to her people that she had become cold and grey as nightfall in winter that comes without a star. Then she said farewell to Eldarion, and to her daughters, and to all whom she had loved; and she went out from the city of Minas Tirith and passed away to the land of Lórien, and dwelt there alone under the fading trees until winter came. Galadriel had passed away and Celeborn also was gone, and the land was silent.

'There at last when the mallorn-leaves were falling, but spring had not yet come, she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.

'Here ends this tale, as it has come to us from the South; and with the passing of Evenstar no more is said in this book of the days of old.'

Which makes this scene from Lothlorien more poignant.

`Here is the heart of Elvendom on earth,' he said, `and here my heart dwells ever, unless there be a light beyond the dark roads that we still must tread, you and I. Come with me! ' And taking Frodo's hand in his, he left the hill of Cerin Amroth and came there never again as living man.

29,923 posted on 10/03/2002 11:41:06 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
Get yer cat to lick that fuzz off'n Woods' face...

Don't think she'd touch that with a ten foot tongue. She might want me to get the flea comb in there, though.

29,924 posted on 10/03/2002 11:41:17 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: RosieCotton
You beat me Rosie! - Bravo!
29,925 posted on 10/03/2002 11:42:11 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Rosie
Have we posted the whole trilogy yet? :)
29,926 posted on 10/03/2002 11:42:13 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Just about I think! Though never in the right order!
29,927 posted on 10/03/2002 11:43:27 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
Have we posted the whole trilogy yet? :)

Probably...sorry, I suppose I should have done more trimming, but it's so beautiful in its entirety that I didn't know where to snip!

As wonderful as the movies are, they can't hold a candle to the books!

29,928 posted on 10/03/2002 11:43:38 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Galadriel had passed away and Celeborn also was gone, and the land was silent.

If it took those two leaving for the land to be silent then they must have had quite a few "differences of opinion" behind closed doors, if you know what I mean.....

Maybe the were the Elven versions of Bill and Hill....

29,929 posted on 10/03/2002 11:44:45 AM PDT by ksen
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To: RosieCotton
...I suppose I should have done more trimming....

You did it just right Rosie.

29,930 posted on 10/03/2002 11:45:55 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Maybe the were the Elven versions of Bill and Hill....

You know, one of these days this sort of extreme elf bashing is going to get you in serious trouble!

29,931 posted on 10/03/2002 11:45:56 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: g'nad
Oh I think he is a cutie pie with his peach fuzz... The boy is gonna break my heart this time around...

Good thing I have Legolas and Aragorn around to even things out a bit.... I have a feeling my future dreams about Elijah Wood are gonna become to dark to be fun!
29,932 posted on 10/03/2002 11:46:01 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: RosieCotton
What? I said "Maybe..."
29,933 posted on 10/03/2002 11:47:52 AM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
Just noticed a typo in the LOTR document:

There is now no snip that would bear the hence, and I must indeed abide the Doom of Men, whether I will or I nill: the loss and the silence.

What's that SUPPOSED to say? "Ship that would bear thee hence"?

29,934 posted on 10/03/2002 11:48:23 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RMDupree; JenB
By the way...JenB is our unofficial Middle Earth historian - she could probably have typed from memory what I cut and pasted. ;-)
29,935 posted on 10/03/2002 11:50:58 AM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: RosieCotton
Maybe she got snippy about it.
29,936 posted on 10/03/2002 11:50:59 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: RosieCotton
...thanks for the Sam collage thingie yesterday....

You're quite welcome.

29,937 posted on 10/03/2002 11:52:54 AM PDT by ksen
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To: RosieCotton; HairOfTheDog
Thank you both!

RE: "no ship to bare thee hence". In the appendix I read that Legolas and Gimli sailed away over the Sea. Did they do to the Havens? Why wouldn't they take Arwen with them?

29,938 posted on 10/03/2002 11:53:52 AM PDT by RMDupree
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To: Overtaxed
Maybe she got snippy about it.

Arwen? ;^)

29,939 posted on 10/03/2002 11:54:13 AM PDT by ksen
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To: RosieCotton
Yes, I think you are right - funny thing is, I read it as "ship" in the document! didn't even notice!
29,940 posted on 10/03/2002 11:55:17 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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