The New Hobbit Hole

[HairOfTheDog]

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole
Concerning Hobbits
The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.

[2Jedismom]

Never mind, I got it.

[Corin Stormhands]

OK, I'll say no more...

Sorry, I don't mean to be the thread monitor. I just avoid "that" forum for "those" conversations. ;-)

[Corin Stormhands]

Since Jen isn't around (she's missing an awful lot of good conversation), I would say of course they had a choice.

Well, you probably already know Jen and I would disagree on the definition of "choice." ;-)

But I already told Bear this isn't the forum for that...

[HairOfTheDog]

hehehehehe - You brought it up you know.... thread monitor.... ;~D

[Corin Stormhands]

My position is that it can't.

I would agree Sam. I think we're all given the same "choice." It's how we respond.

[Corin Stormhands]

It took me 1/2 hour just to get him out of the house into the car.

I have a mouth full of metal from my younger years because I was so very terrified of the dentist. Do you remember the Steve Martin character from Little Shop of Horrors? Well, before he made the movie, he was my dentist. His approach to kids who were afraid was "shut up and sit still." My parents should've made me, but they were exasperated I'm sure. My dad even whipped me once after I refused to open my mouth. I was eight. But I think it bothered them so much they just let it go. I didn't go back to the dentist until I was 13.

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

Sorry, I don't mean to be the thread monitor

No problem! I usually prefer to avoid discussions of a religious nature anyway.

[ecurbh]

Here's a few more thread title suggestions:

A Brandywine River Runs Through It
A Few Good Hobbits
A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Council
A Slight Case Of Mordor
A Tale Of Two Towers
About A Hobbit
All Not Quiet On The Eastern Front
Along Came A Bloody Great Spider
Bad Day At Black Gates
Bedtime For Bilbo
Big Trouble In Little Gondor
Bilbo Baggins And The Smeagol Kid
Bilbo Baggins' Diary
Black Orc Down
Blame It On Bilbo
Born On The 22nd of September
Calamity Pippin
Clear And Present Ranger
Close Encounters Of The Third Age Kind
Cool Hand Frodo
Crouching Gollum, Hidden Balrog
Dead Ringers
Desperately Seeking Sauron
Dial M For Mordor
Dirty Rotten Saruman
Dr. Saruman Or: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Ring
Drop Dead Gollum
Dude, Where's My Ring?
Easy Black Rider
Elf Girls Are Easy
Elves Are Forever
Enemy At The Black Gates
Eowyn Brockovich
Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Hobbits
Eye Wide Shut
Far Trek III: The Search For Frodo
Fast Times at Uruk-Hai
Fingers/Off
For Me And My Elf
For Your Eye Only
Force 9 From Rivendell
Fried Red Tomatoes
Frodo & Sam & Merry & Pippin
Frodo & Sam's Bogus Journey
Frodo Baggins And The Cracks Of Doom
Frodo Versus The Volcano
Full Mithril Jacket
G.I. Eowyn
Gandalf Lives!
Gentlemen Prefer Elves
Get Shorty
Goldringfinger
Gollum Fishin'
Gollum Got Fingered
Gone With The Ring
Good Frodo Hunting
Guess Who's Coming To Dinner, Supper, Breakfast…
Guys And Elves
Hostbusters
I'm Gonna Git You Saruman
In Like Frodo
In The Company Of Elves
Inherit The Ring
It's A Middle Middle Middle Middle Earth
L*O*T*R
Lady Eowyn And The Tramp
Life Of Frodo
Little Big Hobbit
Lock, Stock And Two Smoking Hobbits
Look Who's Stalking
Looking For Mr. Frodo
M.E. Confidential
Middle Earth Is Not Enough
Mission To Mordor
Mission: Impassable
Mordor Kombat
Mordor Murder Mystery
My Best Ranger's Wedding
My Cousin Merry
Never Give A Smeagol An Even Break
Never Talk To Rangers
O Hobbit, Where Art Thou?
One Flew Over The Eagle's Nest
One Of Our Fingers Is Missing
Orc by Orcwest
Orc Day Afternoon
Radagast Ventura: When Nature Calls
Raiders Of The Lost Ring
Rangers On A Plain
Rangers With Dirty Faces
Reservoir Orcs
Roam Alone: Lost In Mordor
Romancing The Elfstone
Rumble Fishesseses
Saruman's Sense Of Snow
Saving Private Frodo
Scent Of A Hobbit
Second Breakfast At Tiffany's
Southfarthing Tobacco Road
Stop! Or My Elf Will Shoot
The Adventures Of Galadriel, Queen Of The Noldor
The Bridges Of Moria County
The Day Middle Earth Stood Still
The Dirty Dunadain
The Fabulous Hobbit Boys
The Great Ring Robbery
The Healing House Rules
The Hobbit Who Went Up A Mountain But Came Down A Hero
The Importance Of Being Eomer
The Last Temptation Of Frodo
The Longest Dawnless Day
The Madness Of Ring Forged
The Magnificent Nine
The Maia In The Iron Mask
The Maia Without A Face
The Man With The Silver Sword
The Mordor Job
The Oliphaunt Man
The Past And The Furious
The Ranger Who Loved Me
The Ranger Who Would Be King
The Remains Of The Dawnless Day
The Roar Of The Woses
The Second Breakfast Club
The Shakiest Sword In The West
The Silence of the Ents
The Talented Mr. Frodo
The Thief Of Bag End
The Tower Ring Inferno
There's Something About Merry
They Died With Their Vambraces On
They Shoot Hobbits, Don't They?
Thoroughly Modern Merry
Three Days Of The Gondor
To Catch A Nasssty Little Thief
To Live And Die In M.E.
Tricentennial Man
Valley Of The Orcs
Way Out East
Weekend At Elrond's
What She-Elves Want
When Gandalf Met Saruman...
When We Were Rings
While You Were Creeping
You've Got Mithril Mail

[Corin Stormhands]

Where is Kyle?

[HairOfTheDog]

ROFLOL!

Tell me you didn't just make that up!

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

Here's a few more thread title suggestions:

After reading your list, I must say, I'm completely flabbergasted!

"Crouching Gollum, Hidden Balrog" and "Force 9 from Rivendell" are my favorites from your list....

[ecurbh]

No, I did not make those up. It was compiled from a thread over at TORN several months ago.

I kind of like "Fast Times at Uruk-Hai" and "The Roar of the Woses". Pretty good punnery there.

[HairOfTheDog]

Pretty punny punnery indeed!

[HairOfTheDog]

Good night everyone!

I am going to go watch the movie...

Reading through the old hobbit hole thread has made me fondly remember how exciting it was when it was new... When we were all rushing off to see it again and reporting back.

Makes me very anxious for the next rush like that! I think this elf is gonna knock my socks off!

[2Jedismom]

Night Hair.

[Corin Stormhands]

Goodnite Mom. Goodnite Hair. Goodnite Moon.

See y'all tomorrow.

[Bear_in_RoseBear]

I think this elf is gonna knock my socks off!

Hobbit lasses wear socks?

Have a good night! Going to call it a night here too... posting so much today has made my fingers tired!

Almost exactly 600 posts to the Hole today... g'night all....

[ksen]

I practiced my whistle.

Get out.....

[ksen]

A Hole Lot of Hobbit.

Hehheh, very good! ;^)

[ksen]

Good night my favorite Hobbits, Dwarves, Beornings, Dunedain, and yes.......Elves. ;^)

See you all tomorrow.