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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: Sam Cree
good to hear your too...the Mrs. just hit that stage where she's wonderin' if this is a good idea...nausea...fatigue...it'll pass...I hope...
29,421 posted on 10/02/2002 11:54:47 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: ksen
Thanks for the updates regarding Lili! It's all over the local news here, naturally... Austin is far enough inland that we may not get much of the actual storm, though. Hopefully we'll get some rainfall out of it, but that's not certain yet...
29,422 posted on 10/02/2002 11:55:35 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Overtaxed
Was billbears the root cause of the Thermobaric bomb? - I thought it was just Constitution Day....

hmmmm...
29,423 posted on 10/02/2002 11:57:14 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Corin Stormhands
And I have to be out in the field for most of tomorrow

Yeah, I'm not getting anything done today, that I had planned to do...

You're going to be out standing in your field tomorrow?

29,424 posted on 10/02/2002 11:59:24 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands; rightwingreligiousfanatic; g'nad
You know you've been mighty antagonistic towards the dwarves today. I hate to think we'd have to form an alliance with...you know...them...

Oh alright, I'm sorry to have antagonized such noble and loyal creatures. To make it up each of you can pick something out here for yourselves.


29,425 posted on 10/02/2002 11:59:44 AM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands; ksen
You know you've been mighty antagonistic towards the dwarves today. I hate to think we'd have to form an alliance with...you know...them.

I've been wondering about that myself. I think the poor man of Gondor has flights of fancy from time to time and, depending on whom he thinks is overhearing him, alternately bashes elves and dwarves. This has been troubling me greatly since the outrageous snowpants and galoshes accusations leveled at Gimli. (The great dwarf lawyer Joni Kokrin made a mockery of those baseless charges with his famous "If the galoshes don't fit, you must acquit" line), but nevertheless, some therapy and analysis is called for here, don't you think?

29,426 posted on 10/02/2002 11:59:57 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed
Was billbears the root cause of the Thermobaric bomb? - I thought it was just Constitution Day....

Maybe you should ping them and ask......

29,427 posted on 10/02/2002 12:01:51 PM PDT by ksen
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic; Corin Stormhands
Corin has already admitted to the snowpants. Now the galoshes were probably just an innocent exaggeration on my part.
29,428 posted on 10/02/2002 12:03:18 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
You're going to be out standing in your field tomorrow?

Well, there is a field involved. Or at least a huge grassy area. I have to work an event.

29,429 posted on 10/02/2002 12:03:37 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic
since the outrageous snowpants and galoshes accusations leveled at Gimli.

shwish! shwish! shwish! shwish! shwish! shwish! shwish! shwish!

29,430 posted on 10/02/2002 12:04:21 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen; g'nad; rightwingreligiousfanatic
To make it up each of you can pick something out here for yourselves.

Oh sure. Offer a dwarf mithril. Like we couldn't get it anywhere else.

Should we send the Floridian Man of Gondor a box of oranges?

29,431 posted on 10/02/2002 12:05:12 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: RosieCotton
he has a problem with us?

Hehehe....not really....I don't think. He made some crack about us being at 40000 posts. I think it's just because he's behind in the UNC/NCSU tit-for-tatting.

29,432 posted on 10/02/2002 12:05:44 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog; All
ARGH!!! Gotta run!!! bye!!!
29,433 posted on 10/02/2002 12:05:50 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic; Corin Stormhands; g'nad
I just want to make sure that after TTT there is no rapprochement between the Dwarves and the Elves merely because of some spurious friendship between Legolas and Gimli.
29,434 posted on 10/02/2002 12:06:43 PM PDT by ksen
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To: rightwingreligiousfanatic; ksen
some therapy and analysis is called for here, don't you think?

Perhaps, but he'll just want to talk about his skivvies again.

29,435 posted on 10/02/2002 12:06:52 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Austin is far enough inland that we may not get much of the actual storm, though

Charlotte is pretty far in and it got trashed by Hugo. We're pretty far in and we got trashed by Fran.

29,436 posted on 10/02/2002 12:07:34 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: ksen
Corin has already admitted to the snowpants.

Where? I've simply acknowledged an appreciation of the Fine Arts and a particular Square Spongy character...

29,437 posted on 10/02/2002 12:07:56 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands; ksen; rightwingreligiousfanatic
Perhaps, but he'll just want to talk about his skivvies again.

Or lack thereof...

29,438 posted on 10/02/2002 12:08:12 PM PDT by RosieCotton
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To: Corin Stormhands
Well, there is a field involved. Or at least a huge grassy area. I have to work an event.

Ahhh, well I hope everything goes well for you! Just watch out for knolls.

29,439 posted on 10/02/2002 12:09:44 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog

Oh, wait a minute, I mean.....

;^)

29,440 posted on 10/02/2002 12:09:49 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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