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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: HairOfTheDog
Check, and check. Fires and floods to be avoided too, I take it?
29,041 posted on 10/01/2002 9:08:01 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
I forgot to give Matthew his medicine (bronchitis) and I had to wake him up to give it to him. He sat up and put his face like 2 inches from mine and just peered at me for a second before lying back down. LOL

Then, I'm sitting here reading and he came into the room...siddled into the room without a sound on my deaf side and I nearly jumped a foot when I saw him! I said "What do you need?" and he said he had to go to the bathroom. I said "Well, what are you going to do? Go in the filing cabinet?" He just cracked up.
29,042 posted on 10/01/2002 9:08:42 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Yes... and plagues... stay away from plagues!
29,043 posted on 10/01/2002 9:11:06 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
LOL! - Tea is not supposed to make you act this way, is it?
29,044 posted on 10/01/2002 9:12:09 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Hi, HairOfTheDog,

I just got home from my fishing club meeting. A halloween party was announced, to be hosted by one of the members and his wife.

The invitation surprisingly said to "bring your own pints," (instead of booze, like usual) so I'm wondering if the hosts lurk on this thread.

Or is that the usual these days, to say "bring your own pints?"
29,045 posted on 10/01/2002 9:19:02 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog
Right-o.

Thanks for your help in this matter!
29,046 posted on 10/01/2002 9:21:01 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Sam Cree
I don't think it is the usual! - I think you have a LoTR fan planning this party! - What are you dressing up as?
29,047 posted on 10/01/2002 9:22:32 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Glad I could help! - I feel better now that I know you will be careful!
29,048 posted on 10/01/2002 9:23:24 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Glad I could put your mind at ease!
29,049 posted on 10/01/2002 9:25:38 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I think Sam should go to the party as a hobbit, don't you?
29,050 posted on 10/01/2002 9:26:34 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Sam Cree
Hi, Sam

I don't know if this was the intent, but by saying "pints" instead of specifying alcohol, the guests could take it to mean whatever non-alcoholic beverage they want to bring... (or even ice-cream!)
29,051 posted on 10/01/2002 9:28:38 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Sam Cree
Are you tall or short Sam?
29,052 posted on 10/01/2002 9:29:16 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
"What are you dressing up as?"

An elf? Just kidding, Overtaxed :-)

Once, when we were first married, my wife made a mermaid outfit and I dressed in fishing clothes. So she couldn't walk with her feet stuck in the tail, I carried her in as the fisherman and his catch.

But we were still pretty young then.

29,053 posted on 10/01/2002 9:29:22 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog
I feel more like a hobbit than the other characters in LOTR, I'm a little too tall at 5'9, though.
29,054 posted on 10/01/2002 9:30:46 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
I think if you are tall, then you just need to make yourself fatter to look proportionate!
29,055 posted on 10/01/2002 9:33:22 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Hi, Bear,

It's true that ice cream comes in pints, they probably don't mean ice cream though.

Are you guys under threat once again from tropical weather?
29,056 posted on 10/01/2002 9:34:30 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: HairOfTheDog; Sam Cree
How about a Ranger or Man of Gondor? Cloak, leather boots, sword, etc.
29,057 posted on 10/01/2002 9:35:56 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog; Bear_in_RoseBear
A Norman Rockwell painting that I like


29,058 posted on 10/01/2002 9:37:57 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
hehe, I guess they probably didn't mean ice cream. :)

Lilli could be headed this way, the weatherpeople still aren't sure. Expected to make landfall Thursday, wherever it lands.
29,059 posted on 10/01/2002 9:40:14 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
you just need to make yourself fatter to look proportionate

The hobbits in the movie were pretty thin, though, except for Samwise.

29,060 posted on 10/01/2002 9:45:21 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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