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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: 2Jedismom; HairOfTheDog; Sam Cree; All
Ooooh.....TCM is showing "Duck Soup" (Marx Brothers) tonight at 8:00 Eastern (2 hours from now). So if anyone out there is interested.....
20,121 posted on 08/20/2002 3:03:01 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm copying The Two Towers, read by the Inglis guy, unabridged. It's 17 hours long.
20,122 posted on 08/20/2002 3:04:13 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
The computer has to "read" the original disk, then I have to put in a blank disk and it copies the original to it. I have 14 disks I have to do this with. Some take longer than others. I'm on the 7th one right now.
20,123 posted on 08/20/2002 3:11:35 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
OK - well 17 hours is a lot of tape. I see... carry on! - Make sure you send your $2 to the Tolkien Estate. and $2 to the publisher, and $2 to the book store... Lets see, how many people are you stealing from?

just kidding

20,124 posted on 08/20/2002 3:15:22 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
They aren't tapes! They are audio CDs. I'm recording audio CDs onto audio CDs!

I'm stopping for while. Steve'll be home directly and I'm going let my burner rest.
20,125 posted on 08/20/2002 3:24:57 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog; Texaggie79; Darth Sidious
Orcs Replace Stormtroopers as Least Effective Minions

HOLLYWOOD (DPI) - Movie experts today declared that orcs are the least effective Minions of Darkness, displacing Imperial Stormtroopers from the top spot they'd held for a generation. "The inability of stormtroopers to hit the broad side of a bantha from point-blank range is well-documented, but it also must be remembered that they did play a role in the destruction of Jawa transport and the capture of Leia's shuttle," film expert Dwight Greenleaf explained. "About the only way an orc could do you harm is if its severed head fell on you." (Reported by Joseph Moore)

20,126 posted on 08/20/2002 3:38:49 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Great story Sir Gawain! "About the only way an orc could do you harm is if its severed head fell on you." - Hey that is a real risk!
20,127 posted on 08/20/2002 3:42:07 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
OK - CDs.... I am just trying to stay on the high horse because I am debating here: DIGITAL COPYING RULES MAY CHANGE
20,128 posted on 08/20/2002 3:45:18 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Sir Gawain; HairOfTheDog
"About the only way an orc could do you harm is if its severed head fell on you."

I don't think Boromir would agree.

20,129 posted on 08/20/2002 5:33:10 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
He would undoubtedly disagree... but he isn't objective. I think the score is like 200 to 1.
20,130 posted on 08/20/2002 5:46:50 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Help me. I FReeped all blasted day and didn't get anything done. I am in a real debate on the news side. Been awhile since I got suckered into that!
20,131 posted on 08/20/2002 5:50:04 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
How did it go getting your preview to play? - Any luck?
20,132 posted on 08/20/2002 6:29:10 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
I am in a real debate on the news side. Been awhile since I got suckered into that!

I almost posted to a thread on the news side last night just before bed. Had the posting screen up and everything. But... I would have been disagreeing with a denizen of the Hobbit Hole, and it would have been a big mess. So, I held back, and went to bed instead.

I'm thinking of posting to Alkhin's 9/11 Remembrance thread... gathering my thoughts, deciding whether they're worth posting.

20,133 posted on 08/20/2002 6:29:12 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I think it is OK to disagree with a hobbit denizen if you are nice! - Or if you don't want to be nice - Throw a Balrog at them! hehehehe

I got emotionally sidetracked from writing down rememberances today, and that would have been a better way to spend the day. I would like to write something down too, before I forget what I did and thought that day.
20,134 posted on 08/20/2002 6:33:03 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
How is "Duck Soup"?
20,135 posted on 08/20/2002 6:34:10 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Just quacks me up! I like the song that goes something like
If you think you pay high taxes now
just wait 'til I get through with it
And then there's the famous mirror routine.
20,136 posted on 08/20/2002 6:53:32 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I haven't seen it! - And I missed your post somehow until tonight, too late to watch it with you.
20,137 posted on 08/20/2002 6:54:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh, I wasn't in the mood to be nice, so it was probably better that I held my tongue... or my typing, rather.
20,138 posted on 08/20/2002 6:56:23 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
And then there's the part when they start singing
I've got guns. You've got guns.
All God's children got guns.
etc.
20,139 posted on 08/20/2002 6:57:17 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Thanks for mentioning "Duck Soup"! I was able to watch the first hour anyway... got to see both the song ("when I get through with it") and the mirror routine... hilarious! :)
20,140 posted on 08/20/2002 6:58:42 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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