Have you watched the Rogan interview with Casey Means? Wow!
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4u6vthbPvMXcSwR95gYvY4?si=kAzgYeJETpSTBA7fB7UgTg&utm_source=copy-link
I watched a little, I think on Rumble. I am not font of watching, I prefer to read, unless the speakers are very clear /