[BobL]

“Almost two years of Trump blaming Ukraine and kissing Putin’s butt have not ended the war.”

I don’t necessarily consider having Ukraine send 100+ drones to Putin location while Trump told him to wait for a follow-up phone call, in the town of Valday, necessarily “kissing Putin’s butt”, but to you guys, anything short of Trump nuking Moscow is doing just that.

[pierrem15]

A bit of straw man argument. I don't expect Trump to nuke Moscow but to do two things: 1) outline a realistic peace treaty where both sides must make territorial concessions and Ukraine gets real security guarantees; 2) press Putin by making it clear Ukraine will get more arms and press Ukraine with a loss of support if it won't make any concessions.

Right now, Trump removed all direct US support apart from intel and puts all the pressure on Ukraine and then wonders why Ukraine tells him to eff off.

Trump simply fails to understand that to the Ukrainians there's little difference between capitulation and loss on the battlefield: the country's elite will be murdered or imprisoned and tortured by Putin or forced to flee and ordinary Ukrainians subjected to the usual Red Army raping and pillaging. If they have to flee, might as well hand nothing to Russia except rubble and ash. Trump has dangled some nebulous "security guarantees," but after behaving in such an untrustworthy manner, the Ukrainians would be crazy to make concessions based on Trump's promises.