[blackdog]

I'm still wanting on a topic.

An alien civilization advanced enough to leave their planet, travel 4 million light years while staying on course, hydrated, fed, unharmed by solar radiation, micro-meteors, black holes, keep warm, and maintain a breathable atmosphere.

Then they decelerate, burn into our atmosphere, start and stop at impossible speeds and angles, lower from the sky, and in the last 100 feet the aliens need to turn on bright lights to see where they are going? Really?

[Governor Dinwiddie]

Yes, an advanced civilization wanting to visit Earth? It's as though I would spend my yearly family vacation in Compton.

[eastforker]

Maybe it is part of their navigation or propulsion system. I really have no idea but there is something doing impossible things in our sky.

[datricker]

The only thing slightly plausible is they are some species that lives underwater. Otherwise We are all alone. Boring yes but very very likely

[Rockingham]

The same argument can be made about our advanced airliners turning on bright lights as they get ready to land.

[maddog55]

Yet we travel to Mars in our early stages of space exploration, crash land vehicles but also succeeded in landing rovers, take pictures and even fly a helicopter around on Mars and have lights they can turn on or off. We have craft the just left our solar system still transmitting data back.

Folks assume aliens travel for millions of years to get here and state it’s impossible yet we have have insects whose life span is a day and a torise that can live 175 years or so.

Physics says it’s impossible ... but that’s based on everything we know about physics which is infantile at best.

It’s demons..that’s funny. Demons would fly around in craft, crash and die. So we can just shoot them, no need for all that church stuff.

God created the heavens and earth and made man in his image. I’m good with that. But maybe he created millions of earths to see which one actually works and when one actually does..that’s your end of days and he wipes out all the other failures..I’m guessing our earth is on top of the failure list.

I’m open minded.. maybe someone or something figured out all that distance, time (which is a human construct), speed, obstacles or dimensions.

[z3n]

If they are advance enough, they will understand how to manipulate physics in ways we can’t. You don’t need to manage deceleration, for example, if you are able to change the physics properties of matter to act like energy.

Also (and don’t get me wrong and think that I’m some kind of fox mulder spooky believer, I’m a hard skeptic and I think a lot of these guys like elizondo are counter intelligence) but if you follow a lot of the myth and literature, there are often what you would call ‘motherships’, so a lot of the logistics and central control would probably stem from those.

[daniel1212]

An alien civilization advanced enough to leave their planet, travel 4 million light years while staying on course, hydrated, fed, unharmed by solar radiation, micro-meteors, black holes, keep warm, and maintain a breathable atmosphere. Then they decelerate, burn into our atmosphere, start and stop at impossible speeds and angles, lower from the sky, and in the last 100 feet the aliens need to turn on bright lights to see where they are going? Really?

And apparently possesses AABT (Advanced, Alien Blurring Technology)

I surmise such are demonic. The professional magicians of Egypt in Exodus duplicated the first 3 miracles by Moses, but who overcame them. God does miracles, and the demonic as well, allowed by God as there must be a real alternative if the ability to make choices is meaningful.

In an extraordinary case was the surgery of Arigo: Surgeon of the Rusty Knife:

Methods: He performed unsterilized surgical procedures—including tumor removals and deep incisions—using everyday tools like kitchen knives, pocketknives, and sewing needles

No Anesthesia or Antiseptics: He operated at high speeds without modern anesthetics, antiseptics, or standard sterilization, yet patients reportedly felt little pain and rarely suffered infections or major bleeding

No Medical Training: He had only a third-grade education and no formal medical background, claiming instead to channel the spirit of a deceased German doctor named "Dr. Adolpho Fritz

The most prominent investigation by American researchers into Zé Arigó was led by Dr. Andrija Puharich (also known as Henry K. Puharich), an American physician and parapsychologist with a medical degree from Northwestern University. Between 1963 and 1968, Puharich spearheaded multiple medical research expeditions to Brazil to study Arigó's unorthodox surgeries. [1, 2, 3]

The 1963 Expedition and the "Test Case"

When Puharich first traveled to Congonhas do Campo in August 1963 alongside businessman Henry Belk, he went as a skeptic looking to document the phenomenon. To test Arigó's legitimacy, Puharich became a patient himself: [1, 2]

• The Surgery:Puharich had a benign fatty tumor (lipoma) on his arm. Without warning, Arigó took an unsterilized pocket knife, slit Puharich's arm, reached in with his fingers, pulled out the tumor, and handed it to him. [1, 2]
• The Medical Results: The entire procedure took between 5 to 20 seconds. Puharich reported feeling absolutely no pain and noted that bleeding was minimal. To strictly test for bacterial infection, Puharich intentionally refused to use antibiotics or antiseptics on the wound afterward; despite this, the incision healed rapidly without any swelling or infection. [1, 2, 3]

The 1968 Medical Team & Documentation

In May 1968, Puharich returned with a larger team of American medical doctors and advanced diagnostic equipment to run systematic tests. [1, 2]

• Rigorous Testing: The team filmed hundreds of surgeries in high-definition color, took extensive photographs, and taped patient interviews. They even ran laboratory tests on the blood and tissue Arigó removed to medically verify that the biological matter actually belonged to the patients being operated on. [1]
• The Chaos: The 1968 expedition was cut short when aggressive media coverage and large crowds of reporters swarmed Arigó’s clinic, forcing the researchers to flee the site. [1]

Scientific Conclusions vs. Mainstream Skepticism

The American investigators concluded that Arigó’s rapid diagnostic skills and precision surgeries could not be explained by simple illusion or parlor magic. They verified that he routinely performed highly painful procedures—like scraping cataracts directly off the cornea of conscious patients with household scissors—without the patients flinching. [1, 2]

However, the medical establishment and mainstream skeptics later dismissed these findings. Critics pointed out that Puharich was heavily invested in the paranormal, and argued that Arigó’s results were likely a combination of the placebo effect, high patient pain tolerance, a rudimentary understanding of anatomy, and sleight-of-hand tricks. [1, 2]

Would you like to look closer at how skeptics explained his eye surgeries, or learn more about Dr. Puharich's other bizarre research projects with the U.S. military?