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To: ek_hornbeck
However, this simply isn't true in other societies and cultures, particularly in Europe where the Right is often opposed to laissez-faire economics, either out of ideological nostalgia for feudal or mercantilist institutions or the perception that libertarian economics leads to an extreme competitive individualism that undermines traditional communities and culture, whereas their primary goal is upholding a communitarian sense of national identity and unity.

There is certainly an element of social Darwinism on the American Right. As one of life's "losers," I am certainly open to right wing alternatives to laissez-faire.

What is your opinion of Social Credit? How does it differ from distributism (the answer is probably obvious to most FReepers but I've never been a maven of economics)?

However, there are dangers on that Right as well as on the Left. The first government in history that called itself totalitarian was Fascist Italy (though it never really was, and Mussolini defined "totalitarianism" very differently from how we do today). My motto in life is "be open to everything, but always exercise the most extreme caution." I hope that's not like a "square circle."

61 posted on 07/23/2026 9:15:34 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
What is your opinion of Social Credit? How does it differ from distributism

To be honest, I haven't really researched the Social Credit movement enough to have an opinion, perhaps I'll have to look into Douglas' writings or those of his followers at some time.

The first government in history that called itself totalitarian was Fascist Italy (though it never really was, and Mussolini defined "totalitarianism" very differently from how we do today

For all his flaws and stupid geopolitical moves, Mussolini's system was far more benevolent than other "totalitarian" regimes in Europe and beyond at the time, at least until he became a puppet of Hitler rather than an independent actor. His regime did not murder or even imprison political opponents en masse - usually they would be warned or roughed up, told to keep their views to themselves, and given the option to leave the country.

There was considerably more personal freedom under Mussolini than e.g. under Franco, never mind Hitler (or even more so leftist totalitarian regimes like Stalin and later Mao), without much in the way of book bans or the like. Furthermore, Mussolini was supportive of a strong private sector - his regime privatized many state-owned or run enterprises when he came to power, putting the lie to the claim that his regime was a leftist movement. One thing he had in common with some distributists was replacing trade unions (which were effectively banned) with "worker corporations" - i.e. guilds that would negotiate salaries while holding standard to worker conduct and production.

I say this not to argue that we should mimic Mussolini's regime, but simply to point out that there are other models of statecraft and economic/industrial policy besides laissez-faire and Marxist socialism, despite the fact that both Marxists and classical liberals like to claim that those are the only two alternatives.

62 posted on 07/23/2026 9:32:48 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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