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To: DiogenesLamp
I don’t think the 14h is badly written. I think it’s well written for the era it was written in (a century and a half ago). I think it’d be unrealistic for us to expect the amendment writers to write them in such a way that it would account for all of the ways words could be misapplied a century later with all the ideas future leftists can dream up given enough time.

Put another way, the onus isn’t on right minded people to state something in a way that no one would ever later try to use creeping leftism against . The onus is on the leftists to justify to the rest of us why babies born to people obviously under other nations’ jurisdiction (as per the word meant a century and a half ago) are not under their jurisdiction now.

Put another way. California is looking at taxing people who have long left the state. Any leftist who supports that would be saying the person is still under California’s jurisdiction even after moving out of California.

44 posted on 04/06/2026 7:56:42 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Tell It Right
I don’t think the 14h is badly written. I think it’s well written for the era it was written in (a century and a half ago). I think it’d be unrealistic for us to expect the amendment writers to write them in such a way that it would account for all of the ways words could be misapplied a century later with all the ideas future leftists can dream up given enough time.

The 14th amendment was created because Congress decided the Civil Rights Act of 1866 wasn't strong enough. The 14th was supposedly modeled on the Civil Rights Act of 1866, but the Civil Rights Act of 1866 is *MUCH* clearer on what the intent was than the 14th amendment is.

Have you read the Civil Rights Act of 1866? Having seen the difference, it is clear to me that the 14th was botched, and the Civil Rights Act of 1866 had better verbiage.

"Be it enacted . . . , That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States; and such citizens, of every race and color, without regard to any previous condition of slavery or involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall have the same right, in every State and Territory in the United States, to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, and give evidence, to inherit, purchase, lease, sell, hold, and convey real and personal property, and to full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property, as is enjoyed by white citizens, and shall be subject to like punishment, pains, and penalties, and to none other, any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, to the contrary notwithstanding."

Now that i've shown you the difference, do you still believe the 14th was "well written for the era"?

55 posted on 04/06/2026 8:33:43 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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