"I'm surprised you find the IRS, created to enforce the income tax, to be somehow nebulous."I'm continued to be surprised how at any time it is convenient, you drop the act that Reconstruction after the Civil War was somehow authoritarian and actually leaning into outright tyranny, and at these convenient times you try instead to leverage the notion that it was somehow managerial instead and somehow fitting right in with progressivism.
I am not surprised in the least that a progressive can find nothing wrong with creating the IRS to enforce a notoriously unconstitutional tax, and not notice that said IRS remains with us today. The unapportioned income tax was just as unconstitutional in 1862 as the unapportioned income tax that was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1895, and for the same reason — such a tax was explicitly prohibited by the Constitution.
An Amendment was required to reinstitute the unapportioned income tax after it was struck down by Scotus. But an Amendment prevailed. Once the government got addicted to the flow of other people's money that an income tax could supply, it was hooked. And the power of the IRS. Even when Scotus struck down the tax as unconstitutional, the IRS soldiered on. When the Constitution was amended to permit an unapportioned income tax, the IRS was still a going concern just waiting for an income tax to enforce.
Yes, our beloved IRS was created to collect an unconstitutional tax to fund the Union civil war effort, and it has continuously remained one of our most beloved institutions since 1862.
The fact remains, Woodpusher.
The Civil War was not managerial.
Woodpusher does not argue that the Civil War was managerial. No need to hide from it. Embrace it. Its been your position for probably decades - the Civil War was tyrannical.
This is crucial.
Yes, Woodpusher I did get this correct.
Woodpusher does not argue that the Civil War was managerial.
I see what you did there.
Insinuation aside, The United States Department of the Interior was created in 1849, this is not proof in and of itself that Progressive Ideology goes back to 1849.
The progressives own writings do not reference 1849 as inspiration any more than they reference the Civil War/1862 as inspiration.
The progressives sought out anything they could find in order to build a managerial ideology - their inspirations did include the ICC(1887) somewhat, as well as some Prussian societal constructs. Like it or not progressives rejected the explicitly tyrannical constructs. In general, they viewed those as revolutionary.
Progressives and progressivism are evolutionary.
You can ignore the progressives own words. Do not expect me to join you.