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To: ProgressingAmerica
"Before the Civil War we had no large standing Federal army."

After CW, the army was drastically reduced.

Before the Civil War, Lincoln could call up a force of 75,000 men. There was no legal authority to maintain a large standing army. Now we have one. The legal authority changed, apparently forever.

I'm surprised you find the IRS, created to enforce the income tax, to be somehow nebulous. Most folks would be surprised to learn it was created in 1862. I linked the IRS from 1862 to the present day.

Greenbacks were the first fiat currency issued by the United States. You may be too young to remember silver certificates issued by the U.S. Treasury. Now we have Federal Reserve Notes backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, not backed by anything but good faith, like greenbacks. Inflatable. They can simply prijnt more money and make all the money under your mattress worth less.

Watch this. Before the Civil war, we had no Obamacare. Before the Civil War, we had no Medicare. Before the Civil War, we had no Airports(I was going to say TSA but it gets more basic than that). Before the Civil War, we had no Department of Education.

And neither during the war, nor as a result of post-war legal changes, did we have Obamacare, Medicare, airports, TSA, or DoE. You need to take something for your diarrhea.

The relationship between the States and the Federal government was permanently reversed. With 14A, States have no say in who are their citizens.

46 posted on 03/16/2026 2:31:09 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher; DiogenesLamp
"I'm surprised you find the IRS, created to enforce the income tax, to be somehow nebulous."

I'm continued to be surprised how at any time it is convenient, you drop the act that Reconstruction after the Civil War was somehow authoritarian and actually leaning into outright tyranny, and at these convenient times you try instead to leverage the notion that it was somehow managerial instead and somehow fitting right in with progressivism.

That is the link that makes it nebulous.

So I need to know. Have the last few decades of yours and DiogenesLamp's arguments - that the Civil War and its outcome were tyrannical.... are you throwing all of that out into the wind to now claim it was actually managerial and not really all that tyrannical after all?

55 posted on 03/16/2026 9:25:13 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (The U.S. Constitution is not a suicide pact. Progressivism is a suicide pact.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
You agree with every bit of this don't you? Woodpusher said:
"Greenbacks were the first fiat currency issued by the United States. .... Now we have Federal Reserve Notes backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, not backed by anything but good faith, like greenbacks."

56 posted on 03/16/2026 9:28:28 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (The U.S. Constitution is not a suicide pact. Progressivism is a suicide pact.)
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To: woodpusher; DiogenesLamp
Guys. This is the correlation does not equal causation fallacy.
"Greenbacks were the first fiat currency issued by the United States. You may be too young to remember silver certificates issued by the U.S. Treasury. Now we have Federal Reserve Notes backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government, not backed by anything but good faith, like greenbacks. Inflatable. They can simply prijnt more money and make all the money under your mattress worth less." (Note the full, unedited paragraph here)

Greenbacks were the first fiat currency issued by the United States. Now we have Federal Reserve Notes backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government. Therefore, Abraham Lincoln took the United States off of the gold standard.

This is no different than

More people eat ice cream in the summer. More people get skin cancer in the summer. Therefore, ice cream causes skin cancer.

Or what has now become my favorite.

Pluto was discovered in 1930. There were no Autism diagnoses before 1930. Therefore, Pluto causes Autism.

Guys. We make fun of the wokesters for doing this.

Correlation Does Not Imply Causation: 5 Real-World Examples

The phrase “correlation does not imply causation” is often used in statistics to point out that correlation between two variables does not necessarily mean that one variable causes the other to occur.

58 posted on 03/17/2026 10:30:17 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (The U.S. Constitution is not a suicide pact. Progressivism is a suicide pact.)
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To: woodpusher; DiogenesLamp

59 posted on 03/17/2026 10:32:37 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (The U.S. Constitution is not a suicide pact. Progressivism is a suicide pact.)
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