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Only this morning did I come across a video (posted 2 days ago to msn, which I am unable to link) outlining this 2020 paper about a yearslong underwater field study of the cave system named Quintana Roo. This was the first evidentiary study I've seen pegging civilization in South America to the timeline of Younger Dryas & Goblekli Tepe absent pure speculation on megalithic structures. But I was disappointed in the depth of the research. I cite the following passage:

"Whether ochre procurement or use by Paleoindian groups and their Old World predecessors constitutes evidence for ritual behavior or utilitarian purposes remains an ongoing anthropological discussion (12, 18), yet consensus suggests that the two are not mutually exclusive (19, 20)"

as representative of lingering institutional ignorance in the field of archaeology. The paper fails to address the fact that red ochre mining would only have served an already established society at a time which precedes accepted migration patterns by millennia.

Footnote: This is an update to a prior 2020 post whose source merely cited the caves as possible shelter. I was unable to find any other posts on the topic using multiple keywords in the title, certainly not this paper.

Prior post:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3843566/posts

I would argue that the discovery of mining activities as outlined pushes back migratory patterns for the Yucatan by at least hundreds of years preceding their established dateline in this paper (between 11.4 and 10.7 thousand years before present).

Fascinating stuff despite the ongoing, myopic nature of the scientists doing the work.

1 posted on 11/02/2025 8:20:55 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869

Submerged? Musta been climate malfunction. 😂👍


2 posted on 11/02/2025 8:23:17 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? On hold! Enlisted USN 1967 proudly. 🚫💉! 🇮🇱🙏! Winning currently!)
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To: logi_cal869; SunkenCiv
Okra mine?


3 posted on 11/02/2025 8:26:10 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait.)
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To: logi_cal869

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochre

When natural sienna and umber pigments are heated, they are dehydrated and some of the limonite is transformed into hematite, giving them more reddish colours, called burnt sienna and burnt umber. Ochres are non-toxic and can be used to make an oil paint that dries quickly and covers surfaces thoroughly. Modern ochre pigments often are made using synthetic iron oxide. Pigments which use natural ochre pigments indicate it with the name PY-43 (Pigment yellow 43) on the label, following the Colour Index International system.


10 posted on 11/02/2025 9:33:09 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued, but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere)
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To: logi_cal869

“…2000-year period between ~12 and 10 ka.”

KA is a new one to me, obviously a time period. Definition?


13 posted on 11/02/2025 12:32:04 PM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH! )
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To: logi_cal869

As I have stated previously, I had a double major of Spanish and archaeology. I eventually learned that one cannot pay a mortgage, or any other significant bill, with archaeology. To this day archaeology is fascinating.

I will never forget, back in the 1970s, when the “experts” declared that humans first came to North America 10,000 years ago. Over the Bering Straight during the last Ice Age. I decided not to raise my hand and challenge this idiocy. That humans walked into North America is true. When? Well, we shall see.

Archaeology is fascinating when real science is used. For some PhDs, saying “I don’t know” “I’m not sure” is difficult. For others, the beginning of wisdom is stating: “I don’t know.”

I used to loooove watching that 70’s show In Search Of. They would start by describing, showing “mysteries” of the ancient world. More than a few times, I had plenty of knowledge about what was on the television screen. When I would explain something, family and friends would say “well..... Why are they saying we don’t know?” Today, I would say click bait.


15 posted on 11/02/2025 6:10:08 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try )
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