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Den raiding wolf puppies for food and material has been a very common aboriginal practice for ages worldwide.
Dire Wolves from beyond the wall?
Likely the rhino was brought down and butchered by humans, and the wolves cleaned up on the leftovers.
Old dogs still hunt, so I'd start there.
Was there even such a thing as a “dog” 14,000 years ago?
Why is this surprising?
Now, if they turned out to be Chihuahuas that would be newsworthy.
I believe the Pharaoh Hound was domesticated by the Egyptians around 6000 years ago.
Apparently yes, according to the Google AI overview:
“Earliest undisputed evidence:
The clearest proof of a domesticated dog is the Bonn-Oberkassel dog, found buried alongside humans in Germany and dated to approximately 14,200 years ago.”
So, right around the time that these wolf pups were born in Siberia. The Germans were beginning to breed them into dogs.
What really happened was, the archaeologists went back to the dig to look for more, and found an empty bag of Purina Wolf Chow.
/rimshot!
I kennel stop myself.
Poor little girls, just lounging in their underground den, resting after their meal, snuggling up with mom and dad on a cold winter’s eve to watch “Father Knows Best” when — WHAM!! You just never know when your time’s up.
Canis Wargus nondomesticus?
Canis Deadus Frozensolidus.............
It was a Buy one Get One Flea................
I collar that a smart observation.
Sure looks related to story about China's first farmers.
What Larry said:
"China’s early farmers also perfected the first hybrid that makes you feel full, but then hungry an hour later."
Dog Chow.......................
The date around 14k years ago suggested they were flash frozen with undigested food in their guts by the same disaster(s) written about by Firestone, et al. (time for the book, SC) There were probably more than one strike on the Northern Hemisphere by space rocks around that time. There have been numerous reports of flash frozen Siberian Mammoths, who were not snuggling away in dens.
I suspect humans were already tolerating having wolves lurk around their encampments to dine on large kill remnants. It was in the wolves interest to not kill the humans as they were providing large prey for extended mealtimes. With undigested plants in their stomachs (from eating animal intestines?) the disaster that froze them must have happened during the growing season. During the growing season, hungry bears were wandering about, and probably also attracted to large chunks of killed meat. Wolves would have made noise about this which would have alerted the humans to bear danger, and quick action to protect and/or preserve their camp and food. Thus a perfect case of mutual protection.
Eventually, some young wolves would have become pets and the slow domestication and genetic changes begun. In recent Russian experiments with domesticating foxes, it was proved that it took fewer than 10 generations to produce a domesticated fox, with physical and color changes which sometimes echoed those of dogs from wolves. When my husband saw these modified foxes, he said, “Gee, I want one of those!”
These foxes were converted in ONE human lifetime. All that was required was choosing only the most mild and friendly foxes to continue breeding.
SC: Perhaps in your vast store of links you have a few on this subject.
Thanks g, that did occur to me, but my first thought was of the Siberia material in “Earth in Upheaval”.
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