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Evidence that the next step required by law for POTUS to invoke the insurrection Act may be to issue a formal proclamation for the rioters to disperse (GROK ANALYSIS)
GROK.COM | 10/09/2025 | GROK

Posted on 10/13/2025 5:00:03 PM PDT by ransomnote

TLDR Summary:

Theoretically, the most obvious next step required by law for the POTUS to invoke the insurrection act in one or more cities would be to issue a formal proclamation for the rioters to disperse. If the rioters don't disperse per the deadline provided in the proclamation - Insurrection Act kicks in. 

If you read the following, you can see it's more complicated than that, but that's my simplified opinion after querying GROK about legal requirements for the invocation of the Insurrection Act in L.A., Chicago, and Portland.

For the minimally interested, you may want to skip down to the TABLE containing a theoretical framework Grok provided at my direction. GROK compared my proposed scenario with content available in official sources only regarding the situation in those three cities and gave an analysis of whether specific steps legally required by the insurrection act have been filled.

A key problem in identifying the steps we've completed and the steps ahead, is that sources in search results and AI analysis are typically the media and lefty controlled 'educational' sources. I asked GROK to eliminate those sources in its reply. But sometimes that means GROK doesn't have enough information or can't find the official government sources.

We know AI can make mistakes, particularly if I tell it the wrong information or information is unavailable (e.g., the AI image I posted of an oil painting of popcorn). The content below is limited by my knowledge, experience asking AI questions, and AI's exposure given that I ruled out the use of social documents.

I modified my request many times and included those REQUESTS at the beginning, and GROK's response below.

 REQUEST:

When the governors of the states in which terrorist rioting and threats exist are under foreign influence, work to prevent the President From taking action, publicly forbid him from using troops in their cities, threaten to have their state law enforcement arrest federal forces attempting halt the terrorist riots, do other legal conditions or leeway in the application of the Insurrection act arise?

MODIFIED REQUEST:

How might your analysis change if you performed it using federal and military manuals like the Constitution, Law of War and other official, endorsed documents. I want you to reply without the influence of commercially distributed journals, news media and other opinons and focus on the type of documentation a court would use to evaluate the legality of the action in putting down the rebellion in the scenario I provided.

MODIFIED REQUEST:

At the following link, U.S. Northern Command states that it is sending National guard troops to Chicago under title 10: https://www.northcom.mil/Missions/Homeland-Defense/Federal-Protection-Mission/

GROK RESPONDS:

Updated Checklist for Evaluating Conditions Met for the Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C. §§ 251–255)

This checklist remains derived from the statutory text of the Insurrection Act, the U.S. Constitution (Articles II and VI), and DoD directives (e.g., DoD Directive 3025.18 on Defense Support of Civil Authorities). Updates as of October 10, 2025, incorporate new intelligence and operational details from official DoD/NORTHCOM sources, including the Federal Protection Mission page. No changes to core criteria, but evidence of Title 10 activations strengthens partial fulfillment of later steps.

  • ☐ Evidence of Qualifying Conditions (§ 252 or § 253): Documented "unlawful obstructions, combinations, assemblages, or rebellion against U.S. authority" (§ 252) making federal law enforcement "impracticable," or "insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy" hindering federal laws/constitutional rights (§ 253). Examples: Coordinated riots damaging federal property (e.g., ICE facilities), interfering with immigration enforcement, or threatening public safety via foreign-influenced actors. Status: Met – NSPM-7 (September 26, 2025) cites over 1,000% increase in ICE attacks in Los Angeles/Portland since January 2025, qualifying as domestic violence/conspiracy under § 253.
  • ☐ State Inability, Failure, or Refusal (§ 253): Confirmation that the state (e.g., governor or local authorities) is "unable, fails, or refuses" to protect federal interests or restore order. Evidence: Governor statements opposing federal aid, threats to arrest federal personnel, or documented foreign influence on state officials impeding cooperation. Status: Partial – Ongoing court challenges (e.g., Illinois/Portland blocks) indicate state refusal, but no explicit presidential finding in executive actions.
  • ☐ National Security Threat Assessment: Intelligence from DHS/FBI classifying actors (e.g., Antifa rioters) as domestic terrorists under 18 U.S.C. § 2331, with foreign influence (e.g., funding sources like George Soros via Open Society Foundations, if substantiated by official investigations) elevating to rebellion against U.S. authority. Status: Partial – Antifa designated domestic terrorist organization (EO September 22, 2025); NSPM-7 directs JTTF investigations into funding/networks. No official FBI/DOJ confirmation of Soros-Antifa ties as of October 10, 2025.
  • ☐ Presidential Finding of Necessity: Executive determination that ordinary judicial/civil means are insufficient, per Article II Commander-in-Chief powers, with consultation from Attorney General and Secretary of Defense. Status: Partial – Title 10 activations imply necessity for federal protection, but tied to NSPM-7/domestic terrorism strategy, not explicit Insurrection Act finding.
  • ☐ Issuance of Dispersal Proclamation (§ 254): Public proclamation ordering insurgents to disperse and cease activities, providing reasonable time (e.g., 24–48 hours) for compliance, published via Federal Register or White House briefing. Status: Not met – No § 254 proclamation issued for Portland, Chicago, or Los Angeles per White House records (latest proclamations unrelated, e.g., southern border emergencies).
  • ☐ Non-Compliance with Proclamation: Verified failure to disperse, triggering authority for deployment. Status: N/A – Dependent on prior step.
  • ☐ Invocation via Executive Order: Formal order invoking §§ 252/253, directing Secretary of Defense to deploy Title 10 forces or federalize National Guard under 10 U.S.C. § 12406. Status: Not met – Deployments under Title 10 via Federal Protection Mission (Secretary of War direction), but no Insurrection Act invocation cited in DoD/NORTHCOM documents.
  • ☐ Operational Compliance: Deployment under U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM) with rules of engagement (ROE) aligned to DoD Law of War Manual (Section 1.8.2, domestic operations) and JP 3-28 (minimal force, proportionality), focusing on protecting federal property/personnel. Status: Partial – NORTHCOM/ARNORTH command confirmed; duties limited to protection (no arrests per FAQs).
  • ☐ Oversight and Termination: Congressional notification (if applicable under related statutes like 50 U.S.C. § 1543) and presidential order to end upon order restoration; judicial review limited to statutory compliance. Status: Ongoing – 60-day initial mobilization in Chicago; court reviews active.

Updated Theoretical Steps from Start to Finish for Using the Insurrection Act, NORTHCOM, and Law of War Manual

The sequence remains unchanged, based on primary sources. Foreign influence (Soros funding) is noted as under NSPM-7 investigation but unsubstantiated officially, not altering thresholds. Antifa's domestic terrorist designation (September 22, 2025) supports Step 2 but does not invoke the Act. If escalated, Title 10 activations could transition to full invocation.

  1. Intelligence Assessment (Days 1–3): Federal agencies compile evidence of rebellion (e.g., coordinated attacks on ICE/DHS via foreign funding), confirming § 252/253 triggers and state refusal (e.g., governors forbidding federal aid).
  2. Terrorist Designation (Day 4): President designates actors (e.g., Antifa) as domestic terrorists under 18 U.S.C. § 2331, with cabinet initiation of foreign terrorist organization (FTO) process if foreign ties (e.g., Soros influence) qualify under 8 U.S.C. § 1189. Update: Met via September 22 EO; Rubio (Secretary of State) involved per NSPM-7, but no FTO designation (domestic only).
  3. Legal Determination (Days 5–6): Attorney General/DoD Counsel verifies conditions, including foreign influence as rebellion enhancer.
  4. Dispersal Proclamation (§ 254, Day 7): Issue and publicize order to cease/disperse, citing specific threats to federal functions.
  5. Invocation and Federalization (Day 8): Executive order invokes §§ 252/253 and § 12406; Secretary of Defense alerts NORTHCOM to federalize Guard and mobilize Title 10 troops (e.g., Marines for quick response).
  6. Deployment and Coordination (Days 9–10): NORTHCOM assumes command, coordinating DHS/ICE with troops to secure facilities; ROE per Law of War Manual emphasize de-escalation unless NIAC declared (unlikely for riots).
  7. Active Operations (Days 11–30): Troops halt riots, protect personnel/property; if NIAC threshold met (Section 18.3), apply Common Article 3 protections (humane treatment).
  8. De-escalation and Withdrawal (Day 31+): Terminate upon order restoration; report to Congress; courts review post-hoc for compliance.

Updated Step-by-Step Brief Summary of Actual Steps Taken by Trump Administration (as of October 10, 2025)

Actions continue under the Federal Protection Mission (Title 10 activations via Secretary of War direction), NSPM-7 (September 26, 2025), and Antifa domestic terrorist designation (EO September 22, 2025). NORTHCOM/ARNORTH commands all deployments; DHS leads. No Insurrection Act reference in DoD/NORTHCOM documents. Soros influence under JTTF investigation per NSPM-7, but no official designation. Rubio's role is via NSPM-7 cabinet coordination for FTO potential, not confirmed action. Portland lacks dedicated updates; operations may fall under broader West Coast efforts.

Portland, Oregon

  1. Assessment (September 25–October 1): DHS/FBI reports on Antifa clashes with ICE; NSPM-7 ties to 1,000%+ attack increase.
  2. Guard Activation Attempt (October 4): 200 Oregon National Guard authorized under Title 10 for federal protection.
  3. Court Challenge (October 5–10): Federal judge pauses deployment; no entry as of October 10; administration defends under Supremacy Clause.
  4. Ongoing (October 10): No NORTHCOM update; DHS/ICE operations continue without troops.

Chicago, Illinois

  1. Assessment (September 30–October 5): FBI intelligence on riots interfering with immigration; Antifa designated per EO.
  2. Title 10 Activation (October 8): ~500 National Guard (200 Texas, 300 Illinois units) federalized under NORTHCOM/ARNORTH for 60 days to protect ICE/DHS personnel/property.
  3. Deployment (October 8–10): Troops arrive in greater Chicago area; focus on federal functions enforcement.
  4. Ongoing (October 10): Court block lifted partially; operations active per NORTHCOM update.

Los Angeles, California

  1. Assessment (June 1–15, 2025; reactivated October 1–10): Riots against deportations; NSPM-7 notes sustained threats.
  2. Federalization (June 10; continued October 3–10): ~100 California National Guard under Title 10/NORTHCOM for protection mission.
  3. Operations (June–October): Coordinates with ICE/Marines; September court ruling on Posse Comitatus addressed via Title 10 exception.
  4. Current (October 10): Sustained presence per NORTHCOM; no new blocks.

Updated Comparison to Theoretical Framework 

Theoretical StepPortland (Actual)Chicago (Actual)Los Angeles (Actual)Alignment Notes
Intelligence AssessmentMet: DHS/FBI reports; NSPM-7 data.Met: FBI on interference.Met: Ongoing reports.Full; supports § 253 violence.
Terrorist DesignationMet: Antifa EO (September 22); NSPM-7 funding probe (Soros unconfirmed).Met: Applies.Met: Applies.Full; domestic label met, FTO pending via Rubio/NSPM-7.
Legal DeterminationPartial: Title 10 implies refusal, but court-blocked.Met: October 8 activation cites impracticability.Met: Continued Title 10.Stronger post-October 8; § 253 partial without explicit finding.
Dispersal ProclamationNot met: No § 254 order.Not met: No order.Not met: No order.Gap persists; NSPM-7 not a substitute.
Invocation/FederalizationNot met: Attempted Title 10 blocked.Met: Title 10 via NORTHCOM (October 8).Met: Ongoing Title 10.Chicago/LA align via § 12406 precedent; no §§ 252/253 cite.
NORTHCOM DeploymentNot met: No active troops.Met: ARNORTH command, 500 Guard deployed.Met: 100 Guard under NORTHCOM.User-confirmed coordination; full for Chicago/LA.
Operations/Law of WarN/A: Blocked.Partial: Protection only; no arrests (FAQs).Partial: Minimal force per JP 3-28.Aligns; Manual's domestic ROE (Section 1.8.2) implicit, no NIAC.
Termination/OversightN/A: Challenged.Partial: 60-day term; court active.Partial: Ongoing review.Courts defer per precedents if escalated.

Updated Determination of Legal Requirements Fulfillment and Proclamation Confirmation

As of October 10, 2025, President Trump has not invoked the Insurrection Act, using Title 10 federalizations under the Federal Protection Mission (e.g., October 8 Chicago activation) and NSPM-7 instead. This advances Steps 1, 2, 5–6 (partial) for Chicago/Los Angeles, fulfilling protection needs via NORTHCOM but bypassing § 254 proclamation and §§ 252/253—mandatory for full law enforcement authority overriding Posse Comitatus (18 U.S.C. § 1385).

No dispersal proclamation issued for Portland, Chicago, or Los Angeles per White House/DoD records; latest relevant actions (NSPM-7) direct investigations, not dispersal orders. Soros influence factored as under NSPM-7/JTTF review but lacks official substantiation for rebellion enhancement. Antifa's domestic designation (with Rubio's cabinet role) supports threat assessment but does not meet invocation threshold. Process partially fulfills requirements for federal protection (aligning with Article II/§ 12406), but Insurrection Act escalation remains available if violence intensifies or courts rule insufficient.



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1 posted on 10/13/2025 5:00:03 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Does it have to be public? Could it be a handwritten note stapled to a telephone pole someplace in Oklahoma?


2 posted on 10/13/2025 5:04:58 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Evidence that the next step required by law for POTUS to invoke the insurrection Act may be to issue a formal proclamation for the rioters to disperse (GROK ANALYSIS) , GingisK wrote:

Does it have to be public? Could it be a handwritten note stapled to a telephone pole someplace in Oklahoma?

 

 Maybe it could be taped to the hand soap dispenser in the restrooms? They wouldn't see it there!

C'mon, You know a proclamation would have to be published the same way his other proclamations were published! ;D


3 posted on 10/13/2025 5:08:20 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

I still wonder how the 12 times a US President has sent the troops was okayed.

Eisenhower for a Little Rock school to be integrated. Lyndon B. Johnson for Detroit in 1967. Others.

Were there no little judges to issue demands back then?


4 posted on 10/13/2025 5:08:38 PM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: ransomnote
...a proclamation would have to be published...

We NEVER get to have any fun!

5 posted on 10/13/2025 5:10:24 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: ransomnote

Good idea.

Like the one “The best place to hide valuables from the BLM rioters is under a pile of job applications.”

And “Everything in the block’s stores was looted and taken except work boots.”


6 posted on 10/13/2025 5:10:30 PM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: frank ballenger

He could ask for public approval by asking for a loud honking of horns during rush hour.


7 posted on 10/13/2025 5:17:53 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Many of us have been called honkies so we’re tough now.


8 posted on 10/13/2025 5:44:34 PM PDT by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls. )
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To: ransomnote

Could he say “disperse you evil communist scumbags”? Or even think it to himself?


9 posted on 10/13/2025 5:45:02 PM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery, wildlife and climbing, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: ransomnote

TRUTH

Dear Commie PROTESTORS,

You have 48 HOURS to GET AWAY FROM THIS BUILDING.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.


10 posted on 10/13/2025 5:50:16 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: ransomnote

Blue state governors and mayors are obviously engaging in an insurrection:
“The act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government or a rising against civil or political authority, or the established government; open and active opposition to the execution of law in a city or state.”
All the Trump administration has to do is proclaim it.
Not only that, Oregon democrats are committing treason. They’re in cahoots with the CCP, Antifa, criminal cartels who’ve essentially declared war against America. Oregon has sold more land to the CCP than any other state in the US!


11 posted on 10/13/2025 6:02:03 PM PDT by doc maverick
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To: frank ballenger

At least Honkie Heaven is safer.


12 posted on 10/13/2025 6:03:13 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: ransomnote

Remember, Everything Trump does the Democrats will do x10, except they won’t run into any judicial roadblocks.


13 posted on 10/13/2025 6:07:40 PM PDT by Husker24 (Pp)
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To: servo1969
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Evidence that the next step required by law for POTUS to invoke the insurrection Act may be to issue a formal proclamation for the rioters to disperse (GROK ANALYSIS) , servo1969 wrote:

TRUTH

Dear Commie PROTESTORS,

You have 48 HOURS to GET AWAY FROM THIS BUILDING.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Nice touch! I laughedd and startled the cat. :D


14 posted on 10/13/2025 6:10:25 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

DO IT DO IT DO IT!!


15 posted on 10/13/2025 6:25:01 PM PDT by norsky (<P><h3> <P><img src=" "width=500"></img> <P> <a href= > </a> )
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To: Husker24

Only citizens militias armed with 5.56 and 7.62.


16 posted on 10/13/2025 6:31:31 PM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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To: ransomnote

I can’t believe that this is a question being asked in the public sphere.

It should have been asked months ago and actions since been guided by such.

D.C. was one thing: Different, obviously.

They should damned well know better. I’m none too happy with this chaotic response to an organized uprising.

I’d write that “I’d hope...” they’re taking actions I won’t describe here, but - as I write ad nauseam - my other hand remains full from rfk jr’s pathetic response to the establishment.


17 posted on 10/13/2025 6:37:22 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 "/!i!! &@$%&*(@ -')
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To: ransomnote

Is getting legal advice from Esq. Grok the same as getting medical advice from Dr. Google?


18 posted on 10/13/2025 6:48:25 PM PDT by dznutz
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To: GingisK
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Evidence that the next step required by law for POTUS to invoke the insurrection Act may be to issue a formal proclamation for the rioters to disperse (GROK ANALYSIS) , GingisK wrote:
...a proclamation would have to be published...

We NEVER get to have any fun!

 But....but your screen name is GingiisK!


19 posted on 10/13/2025 7:16:53 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: dznutz
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Evidence that the next step required by law for POTUS to invoke the insurrection Act may be to issue a formal proclamation for the rioters to disperse (GROK ANALYSIS) , dznutz wrote:

Is getting legal advice from Esq. Grok the same as getting medical advice from Dr. Google?

No. GROK cites texts used and we can look them up for ourselves and understand them without first going to medical school.


20 posted on 10/13/2025 7:41:02 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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