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To: Carry_Okie
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Trump: "In any event, I wish both Countries well. We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them. Good luck to all!", Carry_Okie wrote:
We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them.

"They"? And there I thought NATO was a matter of "we." Trump sounds as if Article V has no force of law on the US.

Good point!

President Trump has made it clear since taking office that the US will not support Article V re Ukraine. First Hegseth said it plainly, twice. Then Trump said it diplomatically. There was a meeting in which NATO leaders anxiously asked Trump directly if the US would support the Article V agreement for mutual defense. President Trump responed (paraphrasing), "Well that depends on what you call 'defense'."

I believe Trump was saying that NATO's proxy war would not oblige the US to fight RUssia for them. A proxy war is not 'defense'. 

NATO heads don't sleep well at night. Recently, Belarus noted that electronic jamming sent Russian drones off course and into Poland; at that time NATO/Poland were raising the alarm of Russian agression That was NATO's most recent attempt to portray themselves as being attacked so they can invoke Article V to get the US involved in their war. I think US membership in NATO is hanging by a thread and NATO is well aware of this. Perhaps the US is just pretending to remain in NATO for now, for the purpose of supporting a ceasefire/peace negotiations (don't want to embolden Putin).


63 posted on 09/23/2025 3:56:07 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

It all revolves around what constitutes an “attack” versus a retaliatory defense. I get very uncomfortable when lawyers start inject into critical matters of national defense versus knotty alliances.


69 posted on 09/23/2025 4:23:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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