Posted on 09/23/2025 1:03:05 PM PDT by ransomnote
"They"? And there I thought NATO was a matter of "we." Trump sounds as if Article V has no force of law on the US.
“”They”? And there I thought NATO was a matter of “we.” Trump sounds as if Article V has no force of law on the US.
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In Ukraine, Article V is irrelevant. It is a European war. Trump is being very generous to offer what sounds like an unlimited flow of arms, so long as “they” pay for it.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Trump: "In any event, I wish both Countries well. We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them. Good luck to all!", Carry_Okie wrote: We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them. "They"? And there I thought NATO was a matter of "we." Trump sounds as if Article V has no force of law on the US.
Good point!
President Trump has made it clear since taking office that the US will not support Article V re Ukraine. First Hegseth said it plainly, twice. Then Trump said it diplomatically. There was a meeting in which NATO leaders anxiously asked Trump directly if the US would support the Article V agreement for mutual defense. President Trump responed (paraphrasing), "Well that depends on what you call 'defense'."
I believe Trump was saying that NATO's proxy war would not oblige the US to fight RUssia for them. A proxy war is not 'defense'.
NATO heads don't sleep well at night. Recently, Belarus noted that electronic jamming sent Russian drones off course and into Poland; at that time NATO/Poland were raising the alarm of Russian agression That was NATO's most recent attempt to portray themselves as being attacked so they can invoke Article V to get the US involved in their war. I think US membership in NATO is hanging by a thread and NATO is well aware of this. Perhaps the US is just pretending to remain in NATO for now, for the purpose of supporting a ceasefire/peace negotiations (don't want to embolden Putin).
How dare they oppose Putin and fight for their liberty?
I think he’s openly mocking them.
Nice dodge. So if Russia takes military offense against Poland for shooting down a drone it's not our beef. Right? And if Russia retaliates against a NATO nation supplying missiles we supplied to attack Russia we're not bound to do anything. You think.
Hence my point. You can dream up any rationale you want, but it won't change a damned thing if the hardware starts to fly.
Still trusting in the plan, I see.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Trump: "In any event, I wish both Countries well. We will continue to supply weapons to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them. Good luck to all!", Mariner wrote: I think he’s openly mocking them.
Yes. He knew what a crisis his message would cause. I think he cut the purse strings at that meeting where all were scowling (right after meeting Putin in Alaska) and NATO tried to retaliate with some countries recognizing Palestine. And now this - a mocking dismissal.
It all revolves around what constitutes an “attack” versus a retaliatory defense. I get very uncomfortable when lawyers start inject into critical matters of national defense versus knotty alliances.
“Surely now, there are many ukraine propagandist on here, that would gladly voluntarily enlist in the grifter’s zelensky’s army to fight against Russia now...”
Thanks for the laugh, man.
“”They”? And there I thought NATO was a matter of “we.” Trump sounds as if Article V has no force of law on the US.”
Article 5 does not apply here.
No there are not. But if you like Ukraine so much, YOU go over there and fight.
“But if you like Ukraine so much, “
Why doy you lie? Very leftists.
Yes you are right, the Uke supporters here are very leftist.
“Yes you are right, the Uke supporters here are very leftist.”
Why do you lie? Very leftist of you.
“Yes you are right, the Uke supporters here are very leftist.”
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