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With all the focus on the evil killing of Kirk it’s easy to miss this story. But the two are intricately connected. This is EXACTLY the type of kinetic war being waged on us by the Far left. The radical ANTIFA types want us all dead, they are just starting at the top. IMO

Surprisingly it was a Judge appointed by a Republican that made the ruling , Pataki.

On X they are saying Mangione isn’t even getting 1st degree murder charges, they have been dropped to 2nd degree.

Inconceivable.

1 posted on 09/16/2025 12:56:17 PM PDT by Phoenix8
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now would be a good time for president trump to implement constitutional carry of firearms to all law abiding citizens across america to protect their families and childrens safety in this time of crisis...


2 posted on 09/16/2025 1:04:44 PM PDT by heavy metal (maga... make asylums great again...)
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The whole point of the murder was to terrorize other insurance executives.

Carro is nuts.


3 posted on 09/16/2025 1:10:44 PM PDT by Regulator (It's fraud, Jim)
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Traveling many miles over days, laying in wait for a specific target and executing him in cold blood apparently does not constitute first degree murder in NY.

Assume the Feds will get a bite at this once he’s aquitted in NY.


5 posted on 09/16/2025 1:16:17 PM PDT by keat
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Sounds like the Mob is back


6 posted on 09/16/2025 1:21:45 PM PDT by butlerweave (Fateh)
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Another Regal Judge proving you don’t have to have a working brain to become a judge.


7 posted on 09/16/2025 1:25:52 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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Bragg will throw the case with help from a Manhattan jury. The lesson is if you want to commit terrorism and murder do it in Manhattan. And they’re gonna elect a muzzie terrorist as Mayor.


8 posted on 09/16/2025 1:32:00 PM PDT by HYPOCRACY (Wake up, smell the cat food in your bank account. )
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An airplane full of people slams into a building or shooting people on the street on at a time both are terror, designed to inflict both casualties and fear, quantities don’t matter, intent does.


9 posted on 09/16/2025 1:37:58 PM PDT by The Louiswu (USA FIRST...USA FOREVER)
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Well this should spark and interesting judicial discussion on what constitutes “terrorism.” This judge seems to have taken a first cut at such a discussion. Hopefully local, State and federal agencies will challenge and appeal the ruling.

I find it hard to believe that in reading the killers manifesto and the public statements after the assassination that other health care and business leaders were not terrorized. The amount of support that the killer got in both the press and in monetary contributions to his defense implies that the killer was supported by public sentiment.

It would be interesting to compare this violent life ending action, to say acts by ANTIFA and say historic anarchist acts such as the 1920’s Sacco and Vanzetti robbery.

My personal opinion is that anarchy is a form of terrorism. However with all the liberals say that Hamas was justified in their October 7th, 2023 butchery and kidnapping in Israel, those on the left seem to have an unusual definition of terrorism that I do not share.

10 posted on 09/16/2025 1:40:44 PM PDT by Robert357
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He’s not a freedom fighter any more than tyler and the homeless guy chopping up the ukrsinian refugee.

Just a murderer.


12 posted on 09/16/2025 3:06:58 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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He murdered a guy; that doesn’t make it a terroristic act.


14 posted on 09/16/2025 4:16:11 PM PDT by WASCWatch ( WASC)
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Every business that now has to hire security to protect their Executives should send the bill to this judge.


15 posted on 09/16/2025 6:43:59 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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Alvin Braag, Manhattan judge, Manhattan jury.

Mangione walks.


17 posted on 09/16/2025 8:10:54 PM PDT by Organic Panic ('Was I molested. I think so' - Ashley Biden in response to her father joining her in the shower. D)
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