Posted on 09/09/2025 8:49:43 AM PDT by delta7
The bloc might not survive without reform and an end to the Ukraine conflict, the Hungarian PM believes
The EU is on the verge of collapse and will not survive beyond the next decade without a “fundamental structural overhaul” and disentanglement from the Ukraine conflict, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has warned.
Speaking on Sunday at the annual Civic Picnic in Kotcse, Orban said the EU has failed to meet its founding ambition of becoming a global power and cannot handle current challenges due to the absence of a common fiscal policy. He described the bloc as entering a phase of “chaotic and costly disintegration,” and warned that the 2028-2035 EU budget “could be the last if nothing changes.”
“The EU is currently on the verge of falling apart and has entered a state of fragmentation. And if this continues like this… it will go down in history as the depressing end result of a once noble experiment,” Orban stated.
He proposed transforming the EU into “concentric circles.”….
…. Orban accused Brussels of overreliance on common debt and of using the Ukraine conflict as a pretext to continue this policy. As long as the conflict lasts, the EU will remain a “lame duck,” dependent on the US for security and unable to act independently in economic affairs, he said. Orban also suggested that instead of “lobbying in Washington,” the EU should “go to Moscow” to pursue a security agreement with Russia, followed by an economic deal.
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Orban is not alone in his concerns. Analysts from the International Monetary Fund and other institutions have warned that the EU risks stagnation and even collapse due to structural challenges, weak growth, poor investment, high energy costs, and geopolitical tensions.”
Trump could ask Rubio of have a Department of State legal team craft a reasonable peace agreement Putin and Zelensky could sign.
Erdogan of Turkey might ask his people to give it a try too.
Xi of China might ask his people to give it a try too.
The few European countries that still believe in national sovereignty should form their own economic and political bloc.
But there would still be a problem. All it would take is one bad election, and the country is back to being a vassal state of the EU bureaucrats. And vassal states must allow unrestricted immigration.
Because the EU bureaucrats say so.
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The war is a brutal one.
Probably only a few thousand Americans have gone through such intense, lengthy conflict.
“And vassal states must allow unrestricted immigration”
The Irish know how to make trouble, just ask around in Belfast.
At the outset, I used to ask some of our friends if they knew who Herman Van Rompuy was. They has no clue, illustrating the "marketing" trumped civic knowledge. By a lot.
And few knew of the old Italian Communist, Altiero Spinelli, whose quote adorns one of the EU buildings.
The EU was never a true friend of the US, but mimicked one for a long time.
I suspect the EU and Russia will have to come to terms because the EU has lots of Russian money and because Russia can sell off EU citizen & company owned intellectual property (patents, copyrights and trademarks) in Russia for cash.
European Union = Hitler’s dream come true without firing a shot
The important thing is to prevent ourselves from being dragged down with them.
WIKI
Altiero Spinelli (31 August 1907 – 23 May 1986) was an Italian politician, political theorist and European federalist, referred to as one of the founding fathers of the European Union. A communist and militant anti-fascist in his youth, Spinelli spent 10 years imprisoned by the Italian fascist regime. Having grown disillusioned with Stalinism, he broke with the Communist Party of Italy in 1937. Interned in Ventotene during World War II, he, along with fellow democratic socialists, drafted the manifesto For a Free and United Europe (most commonly known as the Ventotene Manifesto) in 1941, considered a precursor of the European integration process.
Spinelli had a leading role in the foundation of the European Federalist Movement, and had a strong influence on the first few decades of post-World War II European integration. Later, he helped to re-launch the integration process in the 1980s. By the time of his death, he had been a member of the European Commission for six years, and a member of the European Parliament for ten years right up until his death. The main building of the European Parliament in Brussels is named after him.
Spinelli was born in Rome, the son of a socialist father. He joined the Communist Party of Italy (PCd’I) at age 17 in 1924. Following his entry into radical journalism, he was arrested in 1927 and spent ten years in prison and a further six in confinement. In June 1939 he was interned on the island of Ventotene (in Lazio) along with some eight hundred other political opponents of the regime. Here he became involved in the PCI underground. In 1937, he was expelled from the PCd’I for opposing Stalinism, undermining the Bolshevik ideology and supporting Trotskyism.
In June 1941, well before the outcome of the war was safely predictable, Spinelli and fellow prisoner Ernesto Rossi completed the Ventotene Manifesto, eventually entitled Per un’Europa libera e unita (”For a Free and United Europe. A Draft Manifesto”), which argued that, if the fight against the fascist powers were successful, it would be in vain if it merely led to the re-establishment of the old European system of sovereign nation-states in shifting alliances. This would inevitably lead to war again. The document called for the establishment of a European federation by the democratic powers after the war. Because of a need for secrecy and a lack of proper materials at the time, the Manifesto was written on cigarette papers, concealed in the false bottom of a tin box and smuggled to the mainland by Ursula Hirschmann. It was then circulated through the Italian Resistance, and was later adopted as the programme of the European Federalist Movement (MFE), which Spinelli, Colorni and some 20 others established, as soon as they were able to leave their internment camp. The founding meeting was held in clandestinity in Milan on the 27/28 of August 1943.[citation needed]
The Manifesto was widely circulated in other resistance movements towards the end of the war. Resistance leaders from several countries met clandestinely in Geneva in 1944, a meeting attended by Spinelli. The Manifesto put forward proposals for creating a European federation of states, the primary aim of which was to tie European countries so closely together that they would no longer be able to go to war with one another. As in many European left-wing political circles, this sort of move towards federalist ideas was argued as a reaction to the destructive excesses of nationalism. The ideological underpinnings for a united Europe can thus be traced to hostility to nationalism. In the founding meeting of the MFE, he said: “If a post-war order is established in which each State retains its complete national sovereignty, the basis for a Third World War would still exist even after the Nazi attempt to establish the domination of the German race in Europe has been frustrated.
A critic of the USSR, Spinelli argued that “only when it is faced by a united federal Europe will the USSR be brought to a halt”
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On 14 February 1984, the European Parliament adopted his report and approved the Draft Treaty Establishing the European Union.
Spinelli’s project was soon buried by the governments of the member states. However, it provided an impetus for the negotiations which led to the Single European Act of 1986 and the Maastricht Treaty of 1992. This happened with the help of several national parliaments, which adopted resolutions approving the draft Treaty, and of French President François Mitterrand who, following a meeting with Spinelli, came to the European Parliament to speak in favour of its approach, thereby reversing France’s policy (since Charles De Gaulle) of hostility to anything but an intergovernmental approach to Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altiero_Spinelli
So much for the resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire.
The important thing is to prevent ourselves from being dragged down with them.
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The priority is Ukraine. They are the drowning man, they are pulling everyone near them down under.
Lives, equipment, resources and money all getting flushed down the filthy Ukie toilet.
Neither Xi nor Erdogan has a stake in a peace agreement in the Ukraine. They benefit from anything that troubles the waters of the West.
Hopefully the EU collapse will be catastrophic and permanent for the EU Socialist Scum.
Too bad Orban and Hungarians have to fortify their nation and stand against the EU horde, however they must.
“...it will go down in history as the depressing end result of a once noble experiment,”
It looks more like a hegemonic power play that failed.
There was a humorous podcast I watched a couple months ago. It was all on the interlocking EU debt. Germany has huge debt that it can’t repay unless Greece, Italy and Spain pay them on the money Germany loans. Similarly, UK & France also require repayment of debt from poor countries to make their sovereign debt loan repayments.
The focal point of the podcast was how are the poor countries going to pay the richer EU countries (yes, UK is no longer part of the EU). The answer was they can’t and that means the stronger economies can’t pay their sovereign debt obligations.
Then came the haunting statement that the last time Germany and some other countries couldn’t pay their debts, they started World Wars as a way of excusing a default on their sovereign debt. The implication was that Europe needed a war with Russia to save face associated with is debt crisis.
I wish I would have book marked that podcast, as I suspect that the Ukraine/Russia war will escalate soon. France has already told hospitals in that country to expect war casualties by March of 2026.
The European nations will be united again when the Muslim immigrants set up a powerful caliphate across them run by mostly non-Arab Muslims. All that’s left to figure out is if the Turks will be in charge of it again.
IMO, he's wrong. The bigger threat is the islamic invasion.
That will take if down far faster and we're seeing the beginnings of it now.
That, of course, was before 1969. Fifty-five years later, it holds.
That Spinelli was a socialist and Communist, albeit not an orthodox, and became a "democratic socialist" does not prove a point that he was or somehow became a "conservative." Spinelli was no conservative in any way.
From the WIKI which you quote in part:
"In 1976, Spinelli stood in the Italian political elections for the Chamber of Deputies, like left-wing independent on the lists of the Italian Communist Party (PCI) and was elected deputy. He enrolled at Mixed group, of which he was president for the entire legislature. In the same period he was also elected member of the Italian representation at European Parliament. He was confirmed as deputy in subsequent legislature (1979-1983), in which he was part of the III Foreign Affairs Commission and then of the VII Defense Commission."In today's US, he would likely have been something akin to our Democratic Socialists of America, with its list of more names in the news today than please me.
Source: Democratic Socialists of America Wiki, n.d.
Altiero Spinelli was a successful Leftist politician, and the Ventotene manifesto is not some sort of neutral. One reads further:
"It called for a socialist federation of Europe and the world. In the text, European federalism and world federalism are presented as a way to prevent future wars. Vayssière notes that the manifesto is widely seen as the birth of European federalism. Spinelli, who was later elected to the European Parliament within the Italian Communist Party lists, became a leader of the federalist movement due to his primary authorship of the Manifesto and his postwar advocacy. "Spinelli was a "federalist" but not in the sense of our American Republic with its federal government, but rather in the sense of -- as we read -- "a socialist federation."Source: Ventotene Manifesto Wiki, n.d.
Moreover, his larger goal was a world socialist federation.
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