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To: marcusmaximus; Leaning Right
Don't forget the Piłsudski-Hitler Pact, since we're doing "pacts" today.

Next we can do Kellogg-Briand....

Or maybe have read:

Rossoliński-Liebe, Grzegorz (2014). Stepan Bandera: The Life and Afterlife of a Ukrainian Nationalist : Fascism, Genocide, and Cult. Ibidem-Verlag.
The world's a mess, the world's history more complex than a snapshot. Multi-sided. Mulitvalent, borrowing a word from chemistry.
13 posted on 08/24/2025 8:32:57 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
Don't forget the Piłsudski-Hitler Pact, since we're doing "pacts" today.

Really? You're arguing that the Piłsudski-Hitler Pact, or the German–Polish declaration of non-aggression is EXACTLY the same as the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, that secretly divided Europe and led to the invasions of Poland by Germany and of the Russian invasion of Finland, starting WW2

There was also a secret protocol to the pact, which was revealed only after Germany's defeat in 1945 although hints about its provisions had been leaked much earlier, so as to influence Lithuania. According to the protocol, Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland were divided into German and Soviet "spheres of influence". In the north, Finland, Estonia, and Latvia were assigned to the Soviet sphere. Poland was to be partitioned in the event of its "political rearrangement": the areas east of the Pisa, Narew, Vistula, and San rivers would go to the Soviet Union, and Germany would occupy the west. Warsaw, in turn, would be effectively divided between them into two parts. Lithuania, which was adjacent to East Prussia, was assigned to the German sphere of influence, but a second secret protocol, agreed to in September 1939, reassigned Lithuania to the Soviet Union.

15 posted on 08/24/2025 8:47:39 AM PDT by tlozo (“We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin, if you want to know the truth,” Trump)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

> The world’s a mess, the world’s history more complex than a snapshot. <

Yes. In many ways, international politics is like a game of poker. It matters what you’re holding. It matters what your opponent is holding.

And it very much matters what each of you think the other is holding.

I believe that was the point the professor was trying to make (my post #7).


16 posted on 08/24/2025 8:50:18 AM PDT by Leaning Right (It's morning in America. Again.)
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