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Trump Warns 'Interesting Times Ahead': Let Ukraine 'Fight Back'
Newsmax ^ | 8/21/2025 | Eric Mack

Posted on 08/21/2025 10:29:32 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

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To: ETCM

Marcus is historically more than willing to post that sort of thing.

And the headline is extremely misleading, by suggesting that the President said something he did NOT say.


21 posted on 08/21/2025 12:03:45 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: backpacker_c

Putin needs to leave Ukraine.


22 posted on 08/21/2025 12:11:52 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

emmmm....

The U.S. proposed a 30 day ceasefire...not zelensky

zelensky then wanted to modify it on his terms.

Russia hadn’t agreed to a ceasefire, but certainly wouldn’t have after zelensky wanted to modify it


23 posted on 08/21/2025 12:18:26 PM PDT by backpacker_c
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Trump proposed a 30 day ceasefire. Zelensky accepted it without conditions:

"Ukraine is ready for a complete 30-day ceasefire from this very day, from this very moment"

24 posted on 08/21/2025 12:32:28 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: marcusmaximus

My best guess is that Trump is suggesting aggressive U.S. sanctions on Russia are coming in the increasingly likely event that Putin walks away from a peace deal. Putin never should have offered concessions that he didn’t intend to honor. That’s less a show of disrespect to Ukraine than to President Trump.

Trump seems to be suggesting that, in response, he will start going on the offensive. I doubt that means direct military action from the U.S. but rather aggressive economic pressure. Besides an aggressive application of secondary sanctions, we apparently have the ability to significantly halt Russia’s international trade by shutting down their ability to receive payments through the SWIFT system, which is run jointly by the U.S. and Europe. There may be, and probably are, other sanctions he has in mind that I’m not aware of.


25 posted on 08/21/2025 12:38:22 PM PDT by mbrfl
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SWIFT isolation has been in place for years. It was evaded.

There are no sanctions that can do anything. Countries will always object to being coerced economically, bristle and consequences unfold much worse than before.

Iran has been sanctioned for decades. Impact on policy? None. Oil is rather more important than sanctions. In the final analysis, sanctions address that substance created whimsically from nothingness known as money.

Oil is joules. There is no whimsy about joules.


26 posted on 08/21/2025 12:42:32 PM PDT by Owen
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To: marcusmaximus

MARCUS…. remember the FReepathon


27 posted on 08/21/2025 1:00:19 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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To: Owen

>>”Oil is joules. There is no whimsy about joules.”

Back to the “oil is joules” argument I see. The value of oil to Russia is not it’s joule content but its exchange value. They have enough oil to supply their own domestic needs, but you need more than oil to run an economy.

The money Russia makes from trading their oil on the international market is what allows their economy to survive, and the world, ultimately, doesn’t need their oil. There are plenty of other nations that supply energy.

>>”There are no sanctions that can do anything. Countries will always object to being coerced economically, bristle and consequences unfold much worse than before.”

There are no sanctions that can do anything? What a ridiculous statement. Tariff sanctions brought the world to Trump’s doorstep begging to make trade deals that would have seemed impossible 4 years ago. As far as countries always objecting to being coerced economically, they can object all they want. Europe bristled when Trump hiked their tariffs and when they were done bristling, they came to the table.

>>”SWIFT isolation has been in place for years. It was evaded.”

SWIFT isolation has been used in targeted situations, not across the board. Russia still trades using SWIFT and finding alternative payment methods is costly and takes time to implement.

>>”In the final analysis, sanctions address that substance created whimsically from nothingness known as money.”

What a ridiculous comment. Sanctions address trade, not money. And trade is anything but nothingness. It’s the lifeblood of a modern economy.

>>”Iran has been sanctioned for decades. Impact on policy? None.”

Really? It was the lifting of sanctions under Biden that allowed Iran to ramp up oil production again and fund Hamas and the Houthis which ultimately led to October 7th and Houthi aggression.


28 posted on 08/21/2025 1:10:56 PM PDT by mbrfl
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Iran oil production

1995 3.74 mbpd
2000 3.85 mbpd
2005 4.22 mbpd
2010 4.42 mbpd
2015 3.85 mbpd pre Trump 2018 4.74 mbpd Trump

2020 3.2 mbpd Covid hits the oil fields

2025 5 mbpd strong rebound from Covid

Iran policy changes during this sequence?

Think back to every Apocalypse scenario you have seen. Anything in those about money? World War Z? The Day After?

People need calories, not dollars. Hell, in Serbia during their upheaval, they rejected dollars and Euros both. No value. Cans of soup and 9 mm bullets.


29 posted on 08/21/2025 1:49:50 PM PDT by Owen
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To: mbrfl

My best guess is that Trump is suggesting aggressive U.S. sanctions on Russia are coming in the increasingly likely event that Putin walks away from a peace deal. Putin never should have offered concessions that he didn’t intend to honor. That’s less a show of disrespect to Ukraine than to President Trump.


President Trump is still holding his cards. The biggest one of all: pressuring the EU to stop doing business entirely with Putin’s regime. The “modern” Russian economy will collapse without even limited access to the $30 trillion dollar EU economy that it borders.

Recall Iran recently. Some thought “TACO” Trump was behaving weakly. Then BAM. We know what happened there. Putin regime and its duped fellow travellers best be careful what they wish for.


30 posted on 08/21/2025 1:54:42 PM PDT by lodi90
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Death to America Iran and its proxies were killing a lot fewer Americans, Israelis and others while under President Trump’s sanctions. That’s why Trump sanctioned Death to America Iran and why Obama airmailed them pallets of cash. You seem to prefer Obama policy. Interesting. But then we don’t care about American lives we don’t enter those calculations into our “policy” results, obviously.


31 posted on 08/21/2025 1:59:40 PM PDT by lodi90
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