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Posted on 08/17/2025 3:12:58 PM PDT by RandFan
An adviser used by Nigel Farage and others in Reform UK to boost their social media popularity has suggested that Britain would be better off had it stayed neutral in the second world war instead of fighting Nazi Germany.
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“Trillions of pounds of British taxes have been spent in foreign lands in the pursuit of ‘democracy’, ‘human rights’ and ‘doing what is right’,” the post said. “More than a million British lives have been lost since WW1 in wars and battles that have never once been fought by British men, on this island.”
Fighting in both the world wars ensured the UK was no longer a great power, he wrote: “We impoverished ourselves for decades, we didn’t finish paying the loans off to America until 2006. Our economy stagnated, we lost an empire, and we are pushed around by America. And Germany, a country we beat, has been richer than us since the 1970s.
“Alternative history is interesting; if Britain had not fought in WW1 and WW2, it would not have had to rely on America for economic support, and it would have had the independence to act accordingly. Britain could have developed India, Cyprus, Fiji, Malta, Saint Lucia, Seychelles, the Bahamas, Australia, Canada, South Africa, Ireland and New Zealand. In the coming meritocracy, perhaps Britain could regain some of these nations.”
The same post also argues against providing support for Ukraine after Russia’s invasion: “We are sending billions of pounds (that we cannot afford) to prop up a country that we have no allegiance to. Russia is not our enemy, they have not attacked Britain.”
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Hitler wasn’t going to invade Britain. That fum duck actually invaded Russia instead because he thought it would be easier and more fun and lead to Britain suing for peace.
The ruler of Germany in 1900 was Victoria’s grandson, Edward VII’s nephew, and George V’s cousin.
Czar Nicky’s Cousin, as well.
May they all burn in Hell for destroying Europe.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Especially now, 80 years after the War was successfully concluded for Britain.
Uncharacteristically, where Hitler usually did show great hostility toward the Allies, he inexplicably pulled his punches toward England at two key times: Dunkirk, and calling off Sea Lion, the invasion of England.
I believe Hitler saw the British as he saw the Scandinavians: common peoples with the Germans, physically, genetically, and historically. He spoke of making Oxford the seat of his empire, and perhaps did not want to pay the price of conquering England and gaining them as permanent adversaries.
Hard to say for sure, because he was nuts. And showed very bad judgment, from being on multiple drugs, from having some anger-management issues, and from being surrounded by nutty, superstitious, murderous cultists like himself, everywhere, everyone in a huge echo chamber, all agreeing with each other.
But if Britain had not so intelligently and seriously prepared to defend itself (and in the nick of time) against the Luftwaffe bombings and against Sea Lion, he might have been inclined to invade England instead of the Soviet Union.
And a different outcome to the War would have possibly been seen.
Churchill and his War Cabinet, and some key advisers, Beaverbrook and Lindemann, also Smuts, were friends and close advisors, who helped ramp up aircraft production AND develop a LOT of new technology, like defensive radar and countermeasures to German radar-guiding beams.
Churchill noodled all this out, over and over again, trying to push all these wimply British upper class noodles, to grow some pairs and prepare for war. And screaming at his worthless compatriots for about a decade until he was blue in the face, his take was: "We had better fight, with everything we've got, and now, because we may find ourselves in a situation in the near future, where we, in spite of our best efforts, fight total war in absolute desperation, and STILL lose and get destroyed."
An awful but necessary choice that would be, framed and thought out by Churchill, who knew a hundred times more than what this adviser-to-Farage knows.
Hitler listened too much to von Ribbentrop at the beginning of the war.
Von Ribbentrop was German ambassador to London in the 1930s, and committed so many faux pas and embarassed himself, and was constantly insulted by the Brits, he grew to despise them, and at the beginning of the war, Hitler listened to him. Eventually Hitler distanced himself from von Ribbentrop as the war dragged on.
Why didn’t Britain declare war on the ussr when it invaded Poland?
Without Britain sticking its nose in it, the war would have been over long before 1952. Why would the wife of George VI have been involved in any discussions?
There’s little doubt that’s true. WWII drained Britain and left it too weak to hold on to its empire. That’s in addition to the lives lost and many historic buildings destroyed.
Fighting Hitler was absolutely necessary and was the right thing to do, but it was very costly.
“Seems like Islam will conquer the world.”
Islam is an edifice built on slippery sand. Here are some very recent references.
Two New Findings That Mohammed Didn’t Exist | Dr. Jay Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_iD6Lf6MY
Why the Foundations of Islam Are Now Crumbling with Dr. Jay Smith @pfanderfilms - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5b8_dUoj9Y
Yes, it would have been terrible, but please let‘s not exaggerate: the plans concerning a German occupation of Britain were not well fleshed out. While, indeed blacklists had been prepared for individuals to be liquidated after the conquest, not much attention had been paid to the fate of the average Briton.
Yes, there was some talk about hiring or conscripting British labourers for the war effort, but hardly more. Possibly, the British Fascists would have seen a resurgence and collaborated with the occupying power, possibly even forming a kind of provisional collaborative government - as we have seen in several mainland European countries.
But Hitler did indeed see the British as racial equals - maybe even superior to Germans. He had a little Anglophile within him 🙂 Strange but true.
Gentlemen,
I don’t think they could have won. Or held the conquered nations down for more than a brief amount of time.
Japan and Germany were simply too small to do so. Numbers and economic power matter most in a war, and to maintain the rule over conquered nations, you will need so-called soft power, i.e. a culture which appeals to the vanquished. That was also sadly (?) missing.
On December 6, 1941 the vast majority of Americans didn’t want to get in another war in Europe.
If Japan hadn’t bombed Pearl Harbor it wouldn’t have galvanized American support for war. Even then, Hitler could have avoided America joining the European war by just declaring that Japan did that on their own and not joined in declaring war on America.
Declaring war on America and attacking the USSR while leaving Britain unconquered were Hitler’s two biggest blunders.
Even if Hitler didn’t declare war on the US, it only would have been a matter of days or weeks before a U-Boat sank a US ship supplying Britain, which would have provided us with the Casus Belli for declaring war on Germany.
If they, and we, had stayed out of WW1, Hitler would have been a lousy painter and there would have been no WWII. Probably no Russian revolution/ commue soviets either.
And hopefully hostilities would have been ended by a wise, moderate peace treaty, in which the interests of all parties would have been considered - and a compromise reached, wherever possible.
Ah…we can dream, can’t we?🙂
Sorry, could your possibly tell me the sources/authors you used for your statements? A few things seem quite farfetched…
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