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Ukraine won’t give up land that Russia doesn’t already occupy, Zelensky says after Putin’s demand
NY Post ^ | 8/17/2025 | Ronny Reyes

Posted on 08/17/2025 12:12:15 PM PDT by marcusmaximus

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To: tsowellfan

I agree with you. I can’t believe that people on this site would support Russian aggression after all we have lived through in the last 75 years wth them just because the Dems have finally seen Russia for what it is and so we have to support Russia.


21 posted on 08/17/2025 1:22:29 PM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: Kazan
Only an imbecile would believe those causality numbers are accurate


Even Russia has confirmed this list to be accurate.

Those numbers are considered the most accurate numbers out there and have been fact checked several times. They have been counting since day one. They are available all the way back to day one.

Compare these numbers to the corresponding day's war update on multiple sources whether it be a Russian plane downed, s sunken ship, tanks compare the news of the day before the release and you will see a news story of a Russian plane or ship destroyed, you will also see confirmation on Russian news of a downed ship, plane or whatever- check the Russian losses each day and they will reflect the losses heard on the news on that particular day.

22 posted on 08/17/2025 1:24:24 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan
Even Russia has confirmed this list to be accurate.

Prove it.

23 posted on 08/17/2025 1:28:05 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: tsowellfan
Those numbers are considered the most accurate numbers out there and have been fact checked several times.

By what source? The Ukrainians? Deep State? The British Deep State?

You're posting nonsense that isn't believable.

24 posted on 08/17/2025 1:29:08 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: amnestynone

Dems have finally seen Russia for what it is and so we have to support Russia.


The dems duped them with their hoax. Instead of seeing thru the lies they believed them and actually thought that Putin and Trump were working together to steal the election. As if Putin has a desire to also help make the USA great again.


They unknowingly participated in the democrat hoax by sticking up for the Big Guy, Putin, thru the process fell in love with Russia and now root for the Migs over the F-16s. Heard some of them actually say how much superior Russian weapons are over our own.

I just file them in the “Info Wars” Catagory.

Ukraine would have had a better chance if Zelensky had stepped down at least 2 years ago or after that failed spring offensive that never happened.

Now Ukraine will have to suffer the results of Zelensky by giving up land.


25 posted on 08/17/2025 1:32:40 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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11,116 tanks

LOL! You've destroyed more Russian tanks than in the Russian inventory!

26 posted on 08/17/2025 1:34:25 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: marcusmaximus

This was always going to be the solution.


27 posted on 08/17/2025 1:39:11 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Kazan

You’re posting nonsense that isn’t believable


Day one to now start reading the daily Russia/Ukraine news headlines from India, Newsmax, Fox, BBC, France, Germany and Russia state media, add the numbers killed, ships, tanks, planes, missiles destroyed each day and you will see that number also listed in the daily Russian losses.

If you see a headline “first Russian jet shot down” go back to that list for that day and under planes you will see a “1”. Same with ships and everything. I would never say it’s 100% accurate.

I don’t want you to “believe” I want you to see it for yourself. I challenge you to compare it all to the war news and you will see the list grow along with reality.


28 posted on 08/17/2025 1:40:29 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Kazan

Remember the Russian submarine destroyed a couple of years ago?

Look on the list. I remember when that number was added. Notice they don’t say 2 or 4 or 20 destroyed submarines. They say ONE. Because ONE is all they got


29 posted on 08/17/2025 1:44:19 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Kazan

By what source? The Ukrainians? Deep State? The British Deep State?

Daily war news from different places including RUSSIA itself


30 posted on 08/17/2025 1:46:34 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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“Now Ukraine will have to suffer the results of Zelensky by giving up land.”

No they won’t, that would just embolden Putin down the road.


31 posted on 08/17/2025 1:49:00 PM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: marcusmaximus

Zelenskiy schould be carful what he wishes for.


32 posted on 08/17/2025 2:00:10 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democrats are the Party of racism, anger, hate and violence.)
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To: amnestynone

that would just embolden Putin down the road


Unfortunately that’s quite possible. But why pay for insurance if somebody can collect the benefits without being part of the group? What good is joining NATO is NATO also covers the security of non-members?

Ukraine is not in US interest. It’s a domestic fight between Russia and a non-NATO European nation. Ironically, Europe is powerless to join the fight against Russia because of MATO and they want to US to pay the bill.

The American people do not support flipping the bill in that war.

Maybe Europe should take advice from all of us here in the Americas North, Central and South America on how to live together war free as we do on these two beautiful American continents


33 posted on 08/17/2025 2:00:33 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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I’m not sure why you bother posting those stats here, when it is pretty obvious that no source of political information, going back as far as the Vietnam War, can be trusted.


34 posted on 08/17/2025 2:06:39 PM PDT by The Duke (Not without incident.)
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Day one to now start reading the daily Russia/Ukraine news headlines

That tell us absolutely nothing about the causality rate.

Again, Mediazona can only document, 122,507 Russian deaths in the entire war:

Russian losses in the war with Ukraine

ECORDED NAMES COUNT
121,507
+ 2,353
17 July — 31 Jul

The last body exchange between Russia and Ukraine:

Ukraine says repatriation of war dead over after 1,245 more bodies received from Russia

KYIV, June 16 (Reuters) - Ukraine received another 1,245 bodies of its soldiers killed in the war with Russia on Monday in the final stage of the repatriation of remains agreed at talks in Istanbul, Ukrainian officials said.

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Kremlin aide Vladimir Medinsky, the head of Russia's delegation at the peace talks, said that Moscow had handed back the bodies of 6,060 Ukrainian servicemen. He said that Russia has received the remains of 78 of its own soldiers in return.

35 posted on 08/17/2025 2:19:55 PM PDT by Kazan
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Wouldn’t “square one” be demanding that has to give back what they’ve already occupied? What hell are you even talking about?


36 posted on 08/17/2025 3:19:38 PM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength. )
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To: sam_whiskey

Russia*


37 posted on 08/17/2025 3:20:03 PM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength. )
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To: tsowellfan

russia has more subs than we do


38 posted on 08/17/2025 3:35:16 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: marcusmaximus

“Kyiv will not give up land that Moscow troops aren’t occupying as part of any peace deal.”

He’s claiming the Constitution limits him from trading land. Apparently, Russia occupying some areas allows him to negotiate about those areas.

But if that’s the case, all he has to do is withdraw from any area that they agree about and allow Russia to occupy it.


39 posted on 08/17/2025 3:36:53 PM PDT by unlearner (I'm tired of being not tired of winning.)
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To: Kazan

That tell us absolutely nothing about the causality rate


Oh I agree 100% with that. Some say this number is lost by injury or killed and others (more reputable people) that it includes only killed in action. Since the chart does not tell us, I simply consider the numbers to be both injured or killed but out of the battlefield.


40 posted on 08/17/2025 3:48:31 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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