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Posted on 08/16/2025 7:55:26 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
During his meeting with Trump, Putin demanded Ukrainian troops to completely withdraw from Donbas in order to achieve a ceasefire, anonymous sources told Bloomberg, APA reports, citing UNIAN.
US President Donald Trump informed the Ukrainian president and European leaders about this.
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The gurl’s panties are all twisted up, and she’s ranting like Maxine Waters.
Don’t day that Putin isgetting one over on President Trump again. Putin fears him.
Drunk typing is a bad look.
The point remains, Trump made Putin look like a little puppy.
Gads, the drunk gurl just won’t shut up.
“Do you really think anyone in the west has the stomach for going to war with Russia?”
I said that Putin is a war criminal who should suffer the death penalty. That’s what would happen in a just world.
In the world we’re actually living in? No, I don’t think the West will undertake that project. It would be totally unrealistic. We can’t right every wrong.
But we can at least point out the truth.
So when do we pressure Turkey to get out of Cyprus? They’ve been there for over fifty years.
“Obviously, that’s a “no”.
Ukraine will agree.
They don’t have a reasonable choice. Continuing the war will eliminate the Ukrainian state and result in the entire regime hanging by the neck until dead.
Ukrainians should consider ceding the Donbas in exchange for Crimea. Let’s see what Putin thinks.
They don’t have a reasonable choice.
If Britain and France send their peacekeepers to Ukraine. Then maybe. Otherwise, no deal. You just don't give up your land for nothing.
Ending this war and reestablishing mutually beneficial trade with Russia is in our national interest.
Several wars were fought in Europe to try to match borders with various concepts of territorial integrity. Alsace-Lorraine was the primary cause of two bloody wars, it’s in France now, not everyone living there was French and some wanted to be part of Germany. It’s pretty much the same situation in eastern Ukraine, not everyone there wants to be in a country called Ukraine, but at the same time, quite a few don’t want to be in Russia. And language is not the only determinant. Some Russian speakers want to remain citizens of Ukraine. Probably a higher percentage of people in Crimea want Russia to annex them. A small number in so-far unoccupied parts of Ukraine (like Odessa) speak Russian and some of them want to see Russia succeed in its widest possible goals. Many don’t.
The existential question on the table is, do various stake-holders want the bloodshed to continue indefinitely, or are they willing to cede eastern Ukraine and Crimea to Russia?
I don’t have a dog in the hunt, and frankly, it’s not the business of people outside of Europe anyway, unless it begins to threaten global security. It is good of President Trump to try to end the bloodshed, I think that’s part of his objective and also to rebuild cordial relations with Russia that existed for a while after 1991. Our violations of the Minsk agreements were a foolish backward step, but Putin is no saint and uses any pretext (Nazis running Ukraine for example) to stir up trouble.
You sort of wish both Putin and Zelensky could lose comprehensively, that cannot happen, it’s either a draw or one loses. But you know, Japan and Germany “lost” world war two and by 1960 had a better economic situation than France or Britain, and nearly equal to America and Canada, who “won” that war. So losing a war is not the end of a country, just a regime.
“If Britain and France send their peacekeepers to Ukraine. “
They won’t do that unless Russia agrees to their presence AND the US agrees to ensure their security.
A very tough nut to crack as it just sets up a US-Russia war.
Why not withdraw all Ukrainians from Ukraine? That’s where Putin is going anyway.
I guess that would make it easier to just kill whoever is left. Kill the Russians in Ukraine, so we won’t have to kill them when they invade the rest of Europe.
True. And President Trump’s toughness brought Putin to the tabel. Last chance for both Nations.
Again, true. And it eas because of Peace through strenth.
“So when do we pressure Turkey to get out of Cyprus? They’ve been there for over fifty years.”
Well, first we have to evict China from Tibet, which it invaded more than 70 years ago.
Each of these imperialist wars of aggression was a war crime under the Nuremberg Principles. In a just world, each of the resulting land grabs would be reversed. But, as I said, we can’t right every wrong.
The realistic approach: We compare the projects of liberating Tibet or northern Cyprus, on the one hand, with the project of defending Ukraine against Russia’s aggression, on the other. Defending Ukraine is very difficult and expensive. Nevertheless, undoing the invasions of Tibet and Cyprus would be far, far MORE difficult and expensive.
Realists also consider the future consequences. In your example, the division of Cyprus has been stable. Turkey is probably satisfied with its ethnic cleansing in northern Cyprus, with most Greek Cypriots having been killed or pushed to the south. Turkey has no particular reason to try to take over the rest of the island.
By contrast, Putin has said that Ukraine is “not a real country.” He has denounced the breakup of the Soviet Union (in which what’s now Ukraine was a component part, the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic). Any land-for-peace deal would be only temporary. In 1994, Russia agreed to respect Ukraine’s borders. Then it violated that agreement. Any new agreement about Ukraine’s (presumably revised) borders would, like its predecessor, last only until Russia had rebuilt its military and decided that it could grab more land.
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