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Ukraine and Europe Counter Putin’s Cease-Fire Proposal
Wall Street Journal MSN News ^ | 8/9/2025 | Bojan Pancevski, Yaroslav Trofimov

Posted on 08/09/2025 9:00:04 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

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1 posted on 08/09/2025 9:00:04 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

Oh, Marcus….. you’re being called:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4333600/posts


2 posted on 08/09/2025 9:01:58 AM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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To: marcusmaximus

Is Europe going to stop buying Russian oil?


3 posted on 08/09/2025 9:02:27 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: marcusmaximus

Russia invades Ukraine.

Ukraine refuses to surrender to the nice Russian soldiers.

Pro-Russians are indignant and call Ukraine a warmonger.


4 posted on 08/09/2025 9:05:18 AM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
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Same sticking points. If Ukraine cannot win these territories back by fighting for them, then how can there ever be a settlement? The war will go on, and Russia and Ukraine will continue to have their best killed, and Ukraine will still not be able to retake their territories. And Russia will take many deaths of their soldiers and months to get the next small city under their control...

The fix is to ceasefire now at the line of control.

Tell me what further use the military of either side will gain?


5 posted on 08/09/2025 9:06:48 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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What the EU thinks is totally irrelevant.

Trump needs to tell Zelensky to take any deal he can work out or that he will cutoff all assistance to Ukraine and remove him from power.

6 posted on 08/09/2025 9:07:01 AM PDT by Kazan
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If the US didn’t over through Ukraine’s legally elected government there never would have been a war.


7 posted on 08/09/2025 9:15:34 AM PDT by McGruff
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Putin and Russia are in a jam. The Russian people may revolt due to Putin having war with Ukraine and killing millions of his soldiers without land concessions. Russia is financially in trouble if Putin loses oil sales and the Russian people are aware of poor financial planning by Putin. Ukraine will not make land concessions and that may kill the deal next week. Putin brought this confrontation for nothing and has killed many of his important military advisers who have disagreed with him to save face. All bad judgement by Putin and the people know it.


8 posted on 08/09/2025 9:18:01 AM PDT by chopperk
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Why do that? Why not tell Putin to take any deal he can get or remove him from power. Putin is ruining his country.


9 posted on 08/09/2025 9:22:35 AM PDT by POGO163
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It also says that territory can be exchanged only in a reciprocal manner

Kursk in 3 days!

Belgorod in 3 days!

10 posted on 08/09/2025 9:37:38 AM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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If the US didn’t over through Ukraine’s legally elected government there never would have been a war.

You are correct. The orange revolution in the Ukraine was in 2004-2005. George W Bush was president and Victoria Nuland was a front man for the revolution. She is truly evil. She had resigned before the revolution was complete but her fingerprints are all over it.

11 posted on 08/09/2025 9:43:19 AM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, MAGA)
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To: marcusmaximus

Because the folks in the united states of Europe are so good at ending conflicts.


12 posted on 08/09/2025 9:45:45 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? On hold! Enlisted USN 1967 proudly. 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍! Winning currently!)
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after sham referenda in 2022

- "reported" by the sham news organization, The Wall Street Duranty

13 posted on 08/09/2025 9:46:37 AM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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including potential NATO membership for Ukraine

Call that the crux of the matter.

Or the hill that Putin is willing to die on.

Although Trump has changed his NATO tone by cozying up to that new guy in charge, I don't think this is the hill that Trump is willing to go on writing checks for.

14 posted on 08/09/2025 9:48:49 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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You apparently listen to the same Gaslight Media that brought us Russiagate and the coup against Trump.


15 posted on 08/09/2025 9:49:25 AM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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On the call, Trump suggested that Russia would be ready to withdraw from the southern region of Zaporizhzhia and Kherson in exchange for full control of Donetsk. However, Witkoff walked back that claim the next day in a call with the chief aides of European leaders, suggesting that Russia would both withdraw and freeze the front line. On Friday, European officials demanded a third call with Witkoff to clarify the growing confusion about what Putin actually proposed. In that call, Witkoff clearly stated that the only offer on the table was for Ukraine to withdraw unilaterally from Donetsk in exchange for a cease-fire.

16 posted on 08/09/2025 9:52:39 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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How much money has the US given to Putin? How much money has the US given to Zelinski? My memory is Biden daring, cajoling, pushing Putin over and over to start a war until finally he did just that. The Ukrainian people deserve a real honest, intelligent leader. The war will never end with Zelinski at lead IMO.


17 posted on 08/09/2025 10:02:44 AM PDT by Hattie
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Trump has to ignore this expected bullcrap to negotiate a deal.Is anyone surprised that the little grifter turdling is trying to sabotage the meeting? Removing him could become the best option. soon the little grifter will demand the long dead temporary ceasefire(nonstarter). Let Trump do the negotiating, this could be good for both sides!


18 posted on 08/09/2025 10:05:21 AM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: kiryandil

Kaliningrad would be a start for Crimea.


19 posted on 08/09/2025 10:07:16 AM PDT by enduserindy
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If Ukraine is neutral, then Belarus should also be neutral. If Russians can simply come right up to the Polish border in Belarus, then Ukraine is moot.


20 posted on 08/09/2025 10:10:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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