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1 posted on 08/07/2025 4:57:50 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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Translation from:

https://www.onet.pl/informacje/onetwiadomosci/ujawniamy-szczegoly-propozycji-pokojowych-donalda-trumpa-dla-wladimira-putina-moskwa/s85qgmx,79cfc278

The American proposals include:

a ceasefire in Ukraine, not peace,

de facto recognition of Russian territorial gains (by postponing this issue for 49 or 99 years),

the lifting of most sanctions imposed on Russia, and, in the long run, a return to energy cooperation, meaning imports of Russian gas and oil.

The package also lacks a guarantee of non-expansion of NATO, which the Russians consistently demand. Moscow has also received no promise to suspend military support for Ukraine. This last point, however, is reportedly accepted by the Russians.


2 posted on 08/07/2025 5:14:58 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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The fact that Russia has not taken ALL of Ukraine already is a defeat for Putin.

I can see Moldova trying to join NATO. Not sure what Ukraine gets out of this deal besides a cease fire. Will Russia be required to rebuild the Ukraine infrastructure? Or will this fall on the American taxpayers again? Need much more details. The USA MUST not be the ones forever bankrolling Ukraine.


5 posted on 08/07/2025 5:32:38 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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6 posted on 08/07/2025 5:38:24 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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If Trump is agreeing to meet with him they must have agreed to some kind of deal. I certainly hope so.


8 posted on 08/07/2025 5:42:08 AM PDT by jimwatx
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Trump had putin under control then the dems screwed that up and Ukraine had the war. Now Trump has putin under financial control and putin needs to save face and get out of the conflict.


18 posted on 08/07/2025 6:37:56 AM PDT by chopperk
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Meetings like this solve nothing unless the solution has already been worked-out and agreed-to in advance by artful negotions between talented key staffers on both sides. Failure to do this is why the recent grandstanding phone conversations between Trump and Putin have flopped.


22 posted on 08/07/2025 7:30:08 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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One would think that neither would agree to meet unless there was a positive outcome that was already mutually agreed upon.

But I’m not so sure that this meeting will produce that.

I think Zelensky is capable of throwing a monkey wrench into any deal.

I am not sure peace is in Zelensky’s self-interest nor is it in the interest of his strongest supporters here in the US such as Goober and Blumenthal nor all his Euroweenies supporters.


28 posted on 08/07/2025 8:59:53 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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So we’re to gather that the WJS needed to get confirmation from the Kremlin for what the White House already told them…


37 posted on 08/07/2025 9:49:26 AM PDT by daler
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