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To: FreeReign
Trump uses the "stick" on whatever side is misbehaving at the time. This is hardly the stuff of fashioning guiding principles; this is the ad hoc, slapdash, reactive policy that so many have complained of characterizes the Trump administration.

If the ad hoc policymaker gets out of the right side of bed in the morning he rebukes the correct side, but if he gets up wrong…

Relevant to our discussion, it matters not if he gets it right or wrong, we are talking about finding principles to form policy, not hero worship.

Not at all.

Please advise of any "serious conservative liberal, Republican or Democrat, who was advocated sending troops."

Please do not Dodge, we are talking about Ukraine.

But if you must bring history in then I suggest you consider the draft riots of 1864 in New York City, the protests against the entry of the war in 1917, the America First movement of the isolationists against our entry into World War II and the resistance to the draft at that time, the burning of draft cards in the Vietnam era and the riots in the streets, the often violent protests against the Iraq war -our history is replete with resistance to sending troops into foreign wars. The idea was not born with Donald Trump; the concept is hardly unique to him.

We ought to have an attention span for history longer than that of a gnat.


90 posted on 07/21/2025 8:26:42 AM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
Trump uses the "stick" on whatever side is misbehaving at the time.

This is hardly the stuff of fashioning guiding principles; this is the ad hoc, slapdash, reactive policy that so many have complained of characterizes the Trump administration.

If the ad hoc policymaker gets out of the right side of bed in the morning he rebukes the correct side, but if he gets up wrong… Relevant to our discussion, it matters not if he gets it right or wrong, we are talking about finding principles to form policy, not hero worship.

The principle is to freeze the war and to negotiate a peace. The principle is to use a carrot and a stick on both sides to get them to cease fire and negotiate a settlement. That does indeed involve being "reactive". Of course one can be reactive, to obtain their goals. Understanding that is not "hero worship". It requires one not to be a TDS globalist on one side nor a Putin toady on the other side.

Please advise of any "serious conservative liberal, Republican or Democrat, who was advocated sending troops." Please do not Dodge, we are talking about Ukraine.

Please don't say that the policy of no troops on the ground is Trump "following established dogma". That's what I was responding to. It's wrong. It's ironic. As I pointed out it is Trump since 2016 (and before)and not the "establishment" that that has made that principle popular and a big reason why we don't have troops on the ground in Ukraine today.

103 posted on 07/21/2025 9:48:36 AM PDT by FreeReign
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