And when the kids hit 18 and act out like that and finally face the consequences for their actions by the police, they have no idea what they did wrong.
Parents are doing their kids no favors by not discipling them.
One day I was taking my kids to the zoo, which they loved, and they would NOT settle down in the van. After talking to them a few times and they still kept at it, about halfway there, I turned around and we went home.
Of course they cried, but too bad. there was no second chances. The 3-4 warnings I gave them was enough, and they knew me well enough by that time to know I didn’t make idle threats.
I don’t recall having any trouble with them after that.