Posted on 07/19/2025 9:55:36 AM PDT by Morgana
Hahahahahahahahaha love it!
I guess *common courtesy* is not in your vocabulary.
Kids really do want boundaries.
They feel safe when they know they’re in a controlled environment.
Civil Disobedience aboard a flight, is not "merely frowned upon." There is neither freedom nor license to "act out" or "act up" or "do your thing" or other "disruptive behavior" until ordered to behave.
One look of "Because I say so" from a crewmember, shall suffice as a threshhold that all passengers should wisely obey.
The federal Zero Tolerance policy for unruly or dangerous airline passenger behavior, is still in effect.
Failure to obey an order from an airline employee aboard a flight, and/or interferring with crewmember activity, can result in arrest. Children, parents, guardians.
My first airline flight was 73 years ago (I was a kid). People behaved. We were lucky to be alive and free after World War II. Aircraft were not "buses." We respected the people, and the miracle, of flight . . . and God's grace.
Several pilots still used the boots that they wore during the war. Some pilots, co-pilots, carried a firearm in their briefcase or satchel or B-4. There was a curtain, no door, between the cockpit and cabin areas. The airline stewardesses were mostly nurses, and some with college degrees. They were smart people, worthy of passengers behaving themselves - which most did, because they were raised well.
I should add, that people did not hate one another - that is the message preached, sold, and taught by modern day "progressives."
When flying, the miracle of air passing over the wing, flowing faster than air under the wing, was interesting, but still, there was, and is, God's grace.
Be thankful.
Adults get kicked off flights for bad behavior.
Why is it OK for kids to get away with it?
Nobody ahs a *right* to do as they please when ever they feel like it. That’s called *anarchy* and often a *crime*.
Again, it’s a selfish, immature, entitled attitude.
1 I agree there is no way to ban children from business class.
2 Your philosophy of being tolerant and tuning others out is admirable.
3 On letting the parents off the hook for hours of bad behavior but by their child, annoying others in a confined situation - you are dead wrong.
By your standard, the kid should have been allowed to rifle through the other’s bags and they should just shut up and take it. After all, people have the right to do what they want and everyone has to tolerate it and shut up.
What classic bully behavior.
However having a 4-5 year old screaming , acting out, jumping around , kicking the back of your seat or playing some really loud and obnoxious video game is beyond the pale.
Some animals are more equal then others.
“Entitlement is a thing.”
I’ve travelled first class and business class. It’s quite a different realm in terms of cost
You pay for that and you are entitled to
A family is certainly NOT entitled to bring a child into business class and not a misbehaving one who disrupts the high paying customers
If I go to chilis I don’t care what happens just want a good burger
If I go to fine restaurant and someone brings any misbehaving person in, I’m going to be put out
It is not about misbehaving, not about parenting nothing like that
It’s about paying for business class where the airline treats it like coach
15 years ago I retired from 2M air business miles.
Back then a child in business (when I got upgraded) was rare though generally well behaved.
The last post retirement flight I took was 3 years ago. I told the spousal unit “never again!!!!”.
I kept waiting for personal comfort goats and chickens to get on. It was like a Chile mountain bus ride.General travelers are pigs as compared to 15 years ago.
I’m not surprised by this traveler’s issue with the POS parent.
I always remember that when flying and I pray for God's grace to keep the plane up and safely to its destination.
bttt
I agree United did not violate their contract but that is hardly the point. Considering business class costs thousands more per ticket United has a vested interest in keeping business travelers happy, and insisting on a higher standard of behavior makes good business sense. If it were common for bad parents to pay for ill-behaved children to fly business class the calculus would be different but as-is there is nothing unreasonable about expecting adult behavior in adult spaces.
“I’m not surprised by this traveler’s issue with the POS parent.”
POS parents have freedoms
The airline is the one taking business class money and not regulating for business class behavior from all riders
United violated their contract. That’s what I would pursue
What are they selling in business class if not a peaceful flight? Airplane food? A comfortable metal seat with a cushion?
No it is business class that child had no business
Years ago I envisioned requiring all children on airplanes to wear 1950’s sci-fi “clear plastic bubble” space helmets. Hook up an oxygen hose and let’em enjoy their own yelling.
Tell that to Richard Reid, the "shoe bomber." But he was in coach, so I guess that's okay...
-PJ
There’s nothing wrong with expecting adult behavior ANYWHERE.
If someone does not learn self-control as a child, they never will.
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