The are locking switches that require you to pull up on them to toggle them. That's can't happen accidentally.
Posted on 07/14/2025 12:38:49 PM PDT by rexthecat
Regarding the switches: They are the type of switch that requires a lifting action to change their position from ON to CUTOFF. The flight recorder provides the timing that it would take to perform the manual positioning of each switch. We obviously know that both engines were shut down. There isn’t a “glitch” situation in this case. The switch cannot be bumped or positioned by any means but through physical action.
CO = Commanding Officer, aka captain.
The captain (CO) was the one who was suggested might be depressed or have mental health issues.
“The FO was flying the plane at takeoff, the PIC was monitoring.”
That’s news to me.
I was avoiding posted stories until facts were available and never saw that posted.
Now it makes sense why they were focusing on the CO.
“I’ve read similar, but have no idea if what I read was true.”
I handicapped myself avoiding the hyped articles until facts became available. Turns out the FO was flying - c/o the preliminary report, which I never saw posted - making the captain the likely culprit to have toggle the fuel cutoff.
Given what was posted here over the weekend, the fuel cutoff switches MUST be toggled intentionally.
It was murder.
They are locking switches. You have to pull up on them to toggle them. That can't happen accidentally.
The are locking switches that require you to pull up on them to toggle them. That's can't happen accidentally.
Pilot committed suicide.
To me, his reports on this type of thing are the most credible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA_UZeHZwSw
MH370 redux.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA_UZeHZwSw&t=142s
THANKS for that!
I had simply not seen anything posted that seemed worth my time. Watching now.
“It’s an informed conclusion that the first officer is the likely culprit since he is charged instrument panel duties while the CO was preoccupied with piloting the aircraft during climb out. “
Reports say the copilot was flying.
“Meanwhile I have to also listened to the mindless dribble about who flipped the switch when no one wants to even touch the possibility that no one did. That there was a glitch. Which could happen electronically in a number of ways.”
LOL! YOUR post is mindless DRIVEL!
“There are a very few people asking these questions, but they are drowned out by the ignorant sheep.”
LOL! YOU are the ignorant one.
Yeah, I missed the prelim and others already squared me up.
One of the two pilots flipped the switch. The other pilot put them back but it was too late. There is no other possibility. Suicide.
So you think that the pilot switched both switches off in a period of one second. When it takes two fingers to pull out the lever and switch it down. Then move on to the next one. I might be barely possible, but not likely. And anyone who has any electronics repair experience knows how easily a glitch can occur for any number of reasons. There are intelligent questions to ask. And they are not being asked by most.
If the switches were turned off then would the pilot get a message about it on a digital screen? So what was the pilot responding to when he asked about the cutoff switches? Some pilots could answer that question. And Boeing certainly could. So why is it not being answered?
How about timing in the computer. If both switches went off at the exact same time then would they be reported as having gone off at the exact same time. Or would there be a one second delay in reporting both were off?
Intermittent harness connection, Computer hardware or software issue. It is a long list.
I also suspect that we are not getting a full accounting of the voice recorder. Would two pilots about to die not say anything at all in the final moments? Previous incidents suggest that they would.
A cold solder joint could have caused this among other things.
You have to stop looking at the movement of the switches as being the only explanation here.
If a light suddenly goes off in your home then is the only explanation that someone shut off the light switch? I think not. Not to mention intermittent problems cause by vibration and other issues.
Here a couple of videos from people who are at least thinking about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhCGWxb5zsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4XY6qntTsc
If you were not so ignorant then you would be really dangerous.
The PDF says that the fuel switches both were switched off with a 1s gap between them. Ten seconds went by before the Engine 1 switch was turned back on, and another four seconds passed before the Engine 2 switch was moved to the on position. During the ten seconds the fuel was cut, the CVR recorded one of the pilots asking the other why he cut the fuel, and the response was a denial.
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