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To: 4Runner

I see your critical of Trump and potential further involvement in the Ukraine war. It’s a war that the US, under Obama, got entangled in. The media, parroting the ‘deep state’ and the Democrats profiteering accelerated. Biden, in his infinite wisdom made it worse. This has been a stupid war with stupid prizes from day one, and while Trump holds most of the cards for supplying little Z, Vlad the Invader has his own ideas about recreating the Soviet Empire.

My question is simple, what would you advise to do differently than Trump? I think in possibilities.

Option #1. You can let Vlad profit from yet another war of conflict, and leave entirely. More likely than not this will trigger a European conflict, and essentially WWIII, dooming billions. The US will be committed to fighting a maximum event, likely going nuclear, against the Russians and probably a two front war with the Chinese. Probably end thermonuclear.

Option #2. You can get more involved in Ukraine, using American troops on the ground, or EU troops, likely with the same effect as number one when the Russians become desperate, which they will. Probably ends thermonuclear.

Option #3. Keep the war going and bleed the Russian economy and war machine until THEY decide to pull out. Hoping of course that the Chinese don’t see an ‘in’ to taking most of Siberia and Russia because of the weak state of Russia. Then China world dominate power, with guarantees aggression against US Allies. Probably ends Thermonuclear.

Option #4.Same as number three, except attempt to get Putin to the table quicker to end the war before Russia is completely unstable and vulnerable. De-escalate with Russia, and attempt to quit antagonizing them. Maybe figure out a way to bring them in closer.

Since I have limited imagination about such things, I would like to explore other options than I have listed. Since you’re critical of Trump, and he appears to be taking option #4, I would appreciate your insight as to better options. For that matter anyone on these boards who has a better plan than #4.


11 posted on 07/13/2025 7:56:41 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: Pete Dovgan

The population of the disputed oblasts have repeatedly chosen Russia. Allow them the right to self determination. Saying that Europe is next is a non sequitur. Plain scare mongering and propaganda that no one really believes. Stop the proxy war and move onto peace and prosperity for all parties. Trump seems to instinctively understand this.


18 posted on 07/13/2025 8:22:01 AM PDT by Kinzua (What have we allowed to happen?)
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To: Pete Dovgan
It’s a war that the US, under Obama, got entangled in.

Oh no. Far more than that. It was a planned confrontation / regime-change operation against Russia.

The Trump "Russia-gate" fraud taught us that.

Remember, everyone in DC expected Hillary to be elected and that the Steele "Dossier" would simply be accepted as fact. Half of that deep-state fraud was to tar Trump. The other half was to promote the narrative that Russia was an enemy, working against the USA at the highest levels.

The deep-state knew and planned this proxy war

20 posted on 07/13/2025 8:28:13 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Pete Dovgan

Biden had an option he didn’t take.

That would have been to tell Putin that if he invades Ukraine he will guarantee eventual Nato membership for Ukraine.

Trump can use a variation off that option by telling Putin the longer he keeps attacking Ukraine and occupying it’s territory the faster moves the needle toward Ukraine membership in Nato,

In ESSENCE Putin “s war is proving the need for Ukraine to be in Nato.


25 posted on 07/13/2025 9:06:58 AM PDT by Wuli (uire)
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