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New Solution to 120-Year-Old ‘Absolute Zero’ Problem Shows Einstein was Wrong
The Debrief ^ | June 18, 2025 | Christopher Plain

Posted on 06/18/2025 12:46:24 PM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger
First, he says that the “formalism” of thermodynamics essentially requires the existence of Nerst’s theoretical engine. However, the described machine must also be virtual, does not consume any heat, does not produce any work, and does not question the second principle.

No work, means no engine. No such thing as an engine without it producing some form of work. It's pretty much definitional.

41 posted on 06/18/2025 3:28:32 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: Red Badger

If you are in a car...traveling at the speed of light, and you turn on your headlights, what will you see?


42 posted on 06/18/2025 3:28:45 PM PDT by Herodes
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To: Herodes

Taillights?


43 posted on 06/18/2025 3:32:37 PM PDT by Fledermaus ("It turns out all we really needed was a new President!")
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To: Fledermaus

Einstein was wrong? I Knew it! I knew it!


44 posted on 06/18/2025 3:33:14 PM PDT by Robwin ( )
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To: Jolla
If it is zero degrees and it gets twice as cold, how cold is it?

That silly question derives from two problems:

1) Popular temperature scales (eg: celsius and fahrenheit) that place zero at an arbitrary temperature that has no particular physical significance.

2) A failure to understand what "twice as" means.

3) A failure to understand that "cold", "hot" and similar terms have no objective meaning.

4) a failure to understand what kinetic temperature is.

So, your question can only be addressed in a rational way by first expressing temperature on an absolute scale. "Kelvin" will do just fine.

Second, one must understand that the kinetic "temperature" of an object or substance is a measure of energy in motion of its component atoms or molecules.

Third, one must understand that on an absolute temperature scale, "zero" means a kinetic temperature at which ALL molecular or atomic motion has ceased.

Therefore, a temperature below zero on an absolute scale is meaningless, and your question is also meaningless.

45 posted on 06/18/2025 3:33:39 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: cgbg
You know what they will call 2025 science in 2525?

If they're not arrogant and stupid, they'll call it "the foundation on which everything we know rests. Pretty much the same as what intelligent and humble people call the science of 1525.

What Des-Cartes did was a good step. You have added much several ways, & especially in taking the colours of thin plates into philosophical consideration. If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.
-Sir Isaac Newton, in a letter to Robert Hooke 1675.

46 posted on 06/18/2025 3:38:57 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Herodes

> If you are in a car...traveling at the speed of light, and you turn on your headlights, what will you see? <

Ha! Great question. Einstein thought of something similar when working on his Theory of Special Relativity (1905).

His conclusion: The situation you described cannot happen. Any object having mass (“weight”) cannot reach the speed of light. And any object moving at any lower speed would see that headlight beam moving at exactly the speed of light (c).

Time and space would adjust (relative to you) to make any measurement of that beam’s speed equal to c.

Weird, huh? So weird that Einstein did not get the Nobel Prize in Physics for his amazing work here.


47 posted on 06/18/2025 3:38:58 PM PDT by Leaning Right (It's morning in America. Again.)
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To: SuperLuminal
Yep. Hence why a lot of this stuff is called theories and theorems. I wonder if his quip at the end was intentional where he mentioned that academia has a great deal of inertia?
48 posted on 06/18/2025 3:40:33 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant - Never Fearful)
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To: Leaning Right

In high school and teacher explained relativity by pointing out a fly can buzz around in your car while traveling 60 mph.

Simplistic? Yes. But it was 9th grade.


49 posted on 06/18/2025 3:41:14 PM PDT by Fledermaus ("It turns out all we really needed was a new President!")
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To: Red Badger
did not constitute a real violation of the second law of thermodynamics.

I'm sure there's a liberal judge out there what will rule that law unconstitutional.

50 posted on 06/18/2025 3:46:02 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Robert DeLong
From what I read, it sounds like nothing has been proven or disproven, and the theories are now just in competition with each other. However, Einstein's theory apparently still prevails for now, until the machine can be built. 😋👍
But can someone explain what the application would be? 🤣


Without a practical application, it's all so much mental masturbation. Academics are good at that. Engineers apply rules practically to solve problems and build useful things and devices. Since absolute zero is impossible, nothing can really be proved.
51 posted on 06/18/2025 3:48:07 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: NorthMountain

I think today’s Physics dark matter and dark energy will be the butt of future jokes like ether is today.


52 posted on 06/18/2025 3:51:30 PM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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> Pretty much the same as what intelligent and humble people call the science of 1525. <

Yes, your Newton quote was spot on. Newton built his work on Galileo’s results.

Einstein showed that much of what Newton said was wrong. However, Newton’s equations are pretty darn good for most applications! So good that Newton’s simpler gravity equations are used by NASA when calculating gravitational effects.

The key is verification by experiment. The ancient philosophers like Aristotle never did experimental work. So much of their “science” is garbage. But Galileo, Newton, etc. experimented. Their work has meaning.

So maybe Einstein’s results will later be shown as close approximations. But I doubt very much if they’ll be shown as nonsense.


53 posted on 06/18/2025 3:53:17 PM PDT by Leaning Right (It's morning in America. Again.)
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54 posted on 06/18/2025 3:57:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: cgbg

Possibly ... or possibly viewed the same way we today speak of “phlogiston” and the “luminiferous aether”: Theories that sort of seemed to make sense at the time but ultimately failed. That, as opposed to Newtonian Mechanics which truly is foundational.

For a variety of reasons, I think physics has stagnated and we’re due for a “catastrophe”, as we had a bit over a century ago.

I started out as a physicist, but I have strayed from the True Faith into mere engineering. 😁


55 posted on 06/18/2025 4:03:47 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

The big issue of modern physics is that the equations of the very large and the equations of the very small do not play well together.

That means that some fundamental mistakes were made—either in one of those categories or both of them.

Since modern science pays scientists very well to support the status quo science is “stuck”.

It will take true creative genius to find ways out of the mess.


56 posted on 06/18/2025 4:08:37 PM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: Jolla

That’s just it. If it’s 0.0001 Kelvin (you don’t use degrees when talking in units Kelvin), “twice” as cold presumably means half as much energy, or 0.00005 Kelvin. But you can infinitely keep making it “twice” as cold without reaching zero.

Alternately, you can think of cold as the ability to rob heat. In that case, you can only get twice as cold as long as you’re no more than half-way towards zero from whatever your basis of measurement is.


57 posted on 06/18/2025 4:09:53 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Leaning Right
Einstein showed that much of what Newton said was wrong.

I have to politely object to calling Newton "wrong". As you note, his equations work very nicely for "reasonably sized" objects and slow speeds. If you calculate the relativistic terms (I have done this, aeons ago) for, say, a fired artillery shell, they're negligible ... corrections are way out into the insignificant digits. When you get to planetary or stellar masses, or particles doing a meaningful fraction of light speed, the relativistic terms become important.

In effect, Newtonian mechanics is a special case. Einstein takes over when things get really big or really fast. Quantum takes over when things get really small.

58 posted on 06/18/2025 4:10:24 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: cgbg
equations of the very large and the equations of the very small do not play well together.

Indeed. That's why I think we're due for a "catastrophe".

Neither relativity nor quantum are "wrong": they both explain available observations, they both predict the outcomes of experiments ... and yet they cannot be reconciled.

We're missing something ... some of us realize that.

It will take true creative genius

I pray "we" didn't abort that kid ...

59 posted on 06/18/2025 4:14:10 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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> I think today’s Physics dark matter and dark energy will be the butt of future jokes like ether is today. <

I don’t know about evidence for dark matter or dark energy. But awhile back I read a paper on string theory. The author was a believer, and presented some fancy mathematical equations to back the theory.

But near the end of the article he mentioned that there is no evidence for string theory, and because of its nature there never will be.

Now that should be the butt of jokes… and right now.


60 posted on 06/18/2025 4:16:06 PM PDT by Leaning Right (It's morning in America. Again.)
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