Would the New York residents learn anything or would they just blame "greedy business" and President Trump?
All it should take is one snail darter to derail their entire plan. It derailed the entire Tennessee dam project.
EC
The contrarian is just that a blowhard contrarian.
Here someone did the actual math for him. NYC could easily export energy even in winter time with modern thin film solar panels just on the roofs of existing buildings and parking decks. Yes every one knows the sun doesn’t shine at night that’s not the point. Every watt generated is a what you don’t have to burn natural gas for or spin Hydro turbines in Canada. Saving those resources for another day or for better use like plastics,fertilizers or medications. Every chemical engineer screams in pain when they see valuable natural gas being burnt for power, it used to be illegal and for good reasons.
https://x.com/JessePeltan/status/1918722555126382727
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How much of NYC would you need to cover in solar panels to turn it into a net exporter of electricity?
NYC uses about 50 TWh of electricity per year.
NYC has ~780 square kilometers of land area, and a GHI of 4 kWh/m^2/day, giving a primary solar resource of ~1,100 TWh/year - more than 20x electricity demand.
Let’s assume we only place panels over existing impervious surfaces on buildings and parking lots.
(the impervious part of the first 45.5%)
That brings our area to 261 sq km and our solar resource to 380 TWh/year.
With 23% efficient panels and 14% system losses (for dust, inverter losses, etc.) we get 75 TWh/year.
We would need to cover ~2/3 of the impervious surfaces in the “buildings & lots” category to generate as much electricity as NYC consumes.
This leaves open all existing sidewalks, streets, parks, vacant land, airports, etc. and doesn’t include any vertical surfaces which could allow for capture of a larger fraction of NYC’s primary solar resource.
The power density of solar PV is high enough to turn the densest city in the U.S. into an exporter of electricity.]
Winter is not an issue any more with vertical thin film , think South facing building walls.
https://x.com/JessePeltan/status/1919427851129860183
[A south facing vertical solar panel in NYC would generate 3/4 as much electricity as a horizontal panel over the course of a year, but 1.8 times as much in December and January.
There’s still plenty of sunlight during the winter in New York, but the Sun is lower in the sky.
Winter is not an issue for solar in the U.S. the way it is in Northern Europe.
New York City is further south than Barcelona, Spain.]
Actual math and real science. The numbers speak for themselves everything else is opinions, feelings and beliefs, in other words irrelevant.
As least frame a argument from quantifiable facts.
Climate disaster? Depends on which “climate” they’re concerned about. Weather or fear.
I grew up in WNY. Moved to NH in 1985.
It is kind of amazing to watch for the last 62 years(my age) the Dem politicians of NYS destroy what WAS the Empire State.
Keep in mind Niagara Falls, NY was the place they basically invented hydro electric power through alternating current. There was a guy named Nickoli Tesla working there for George Westinghouse.
The Rockefellers made New York the Empire State by shipping oil in tanker rail cars instead of by truck. Therefore, giving his company an advantage on pricing and making him one of the richest men in the world.
NYS has huge reserves of METHANE. Natural gas is so abundant that it literally leaks out of the shale rock in various places in NY.
Yet, the politicians that control the state will not allow fracking. Which could greatly benefit the poorest part of the state(Binghamton). That has suffered economically where just across the border in PA people are becoming rich because of it.
When is Lee Zeldin and this EPA going to end the Endangerment Finding for CO2. That is Trump’s greatest failure in his first term. This needs to happen now before the midterms
No.
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if we are lucky.
( wishful thinking cuz it will never happen, unless cloward priven driven societal and economic collapse happens )
No. And maybe it’s best that we don’t.
Fortunately when it goes full or mostly battery they need inverters to connect to the AC grid. Hopefully the grid will make sure that it has fail safes against the inverters. So when their communist battery system fails it won’t pull from our grid. Much like spain that recently had it’s battery system fail with blackouts.
And I’m not interested in saving NY or California. Only interested in making the typical communist ploy of socializing the risk stays in their communist domain and doesn’t bleed into mine.
I’m more concerned that New York may elect Zoran Mamdani as their next Mayor. He appears to be stridently anti Jew in his beliefs and expressions. He’s taking some of the attention from Andrew Cuomo. Cuomo is certainly flawed too but he is not Mayor Addams.
Hochul is certifiable. Only Elise Stephanik can save New York now.
The plumbers’ union ain’t gonna like this. Like when San Fran’s last city building.
And good thing all those politicians are expert in energy distribution. One relatively small boiler system can heat an entire apartment complex and a one inch gas line can provide cooking and heat. It will be super simple to retrofit all those apartments with miles of new copper cables, electric stoves, electric heaters, electric dryers, electric water heaters, breakers, high voltage trunk lines and transformers.
It will be the true Greek definition of utopia.
Those states who are embracing the climate change cult and seeking the ridiculous goal of carbon neutrality will eventually have their day of reckoning with large scale blackouts. Texas has experienced catastrophic blackouts when weather conditions push demand and the fickle wind turbines were unable to keep up without fossil fuel backup. The recent total blackout in Spain that left the entire Iberian peninsula in the dark was traced to solar farms getting out of sync causing automatic shutdowns. New York will pay the price for their folly and thousands of New Yorkers will be sitting in the dark as a result.
You mean, other than the voters?