[Jonty30]

Until 2014, Russia wasn’t a threat. It wanted to talk and we told them they were on their own.

We would have been smarter to talk to them and the whole Ukraine war, if our leaders were really trying to avoid that, would have been avoided.

The Soviet Union is modern Russia. Two different beasts.

NATO didnt’ need to expand to protect them. We would have only had to tell Russia to leave them alone or else.

[tlozo]

Until 2014, Russia wasn’t a threat

Tell that to the Georgians who lost 20% of their land to the Russians.

We would have only had to tell Russia to leave them alone or else.

Really, we could tell Putin to leave Ukraine "or else"?