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To: marcusmaximus

Germany had enemies primarily on 2 fronts. Without the US, the European front would have been gone, and they’d have had a great deal more ability to fight Russia.

Conversely, without the eastern front, Germany might well have been able to defend Western Europe successfully.

I contend that both US and Russia were necessary to defeat the Nazis.


17 posted on 05/03/2025 5:32:17 AM PDT by meyer (The revolution isn't just beginning. It's already won.)
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To: meyer

I contend that both US and Russia were necessary to defeat the Nazis.


I agree. The forces of the British Empire were also necessary. Lots of other players had significant roles. Without the Polish intelligence contributions, the Allies might not have cracked the German codes.


19 posted on 05/03/2025 5:52:09 AM PDT by marktwain
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yes, meyer.

I did not mean to diminish the contribution of the Soviet Union.

Having said that, in our “Victory Plan” for the war (an evolving document), we planned to fight all of them - Hitler, Tojo, Mussolini, Stalin, and the lesser allies - prior to Hitler’s attack on the Soviet Union.

When Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, we had to re-calibrate. Instead of building a 400 division ground force, we only went with 90. We reserved a lot of our manpower to be “the arsenal of democracy.”

Originally, “Rosie the Riveter” was just a downpayment. We were going to use woman power a lot more (along using even more migrants as farm laborers).

Somebody else on this thread detailed the lend lease we sent to Russia.

In addition (and as in the original Victory Plan, we build up a navy equal to all other navies in the world combined, and an air force equal to all other air forces in the world combined.


38 posted on 05/03/2025 6:45:04 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: meyer

“I contend that both US and Russia were necessary to defeat the Nazis.”

Being against WW3 and being a realist regarding the HUGE MESS that the Neocons created with their ‘Ukraine Project’ doesn’t sit well with the relatively small bunch here who still spout Globalist talking points...but I will STILL make my points (sorry Zeepers). Anyway, here’s my take:

The Soviet Union was totally unprepared for the war and thus had to throw huge amounts of bodies at the Germans. They did. But the Soviets still would have been rolled over if not for the HUGE amount of Western aid they got. So I agree with you...it took BOTH to win over Hitler and bummer that grown adults cannot even agree on something that basic.


66 posted on 05/03/2025 10:45:30 AM PDT by BobL
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