[adorno]

I did not say that. NATO was good for what it was originally for...as a counter to the USSR.

Reality is that, it has been a counter to Russia, and the USSR before that. Otherwise, Russia would still be the USSR,and much bigger than it was as the USSR.

The USSR does not exist anymore and now we are footing 80% of the costs of NATO for what??

The USSR still exists. It changed names to The Russian Federation. Same old empire, new name. Same kind of rulers.

But I agree. The U.S. shouldn't have to pony up for most o the NATO expenses. Trump is taking care of that.

European pissant countries now expect us to carry the load for them and criticize us when we complain that they are using us...

That's changing. Listen to what Trump says and what his administration is doing. Either way, Russia has not expanded much and NATO has been effective at stopping that expansion. Believe it or not. Trump is helpign the EU to become stronger by forcing them to pay their dues in NATO. I'm sure many here don't want a stronger NATO or a stronger EU, but Trump is making it happen.

[packrat35]

Either Europe pays its fair share or we need to leave. I can go either way. But pushing NATO all the way to Russia’s border is not a good idea.

Also I want us totally out of Ukraine as far as giving them money, troops, or supplies. Cut them loose now.

If Mexico and Canada aligned with China and set up their troops on our border, we wouldn’t like it either...