[packrat35]

What you posted is the opposite of what I said which was Ukraine is not and has never been a good place. It has historically ALWAYS been a backwards and corrupt place, first in the USSR and then afterwards when independant. In otherwards, it has been a $hithole and would likely remain so.

You note about moving to the EU just proves that point.

[Dr. Franklin]

What you posted is the opposite of what I said which was Ukraine is not and has never been a good place. It has historically ALWAYS been a backwards and corrupt place, first in the USSR and then afterwards when independant. In otherwards, it has been a $hithole and would likely remain so.

Ukraine was a backward agrarian place going back to when it was part of Poland, a land of priests and peasants, and a borderland of runaway serfs and bandits, but that wasn't your point. You wrote that Ukraine is "corrupt country not any better than Russia". I think the population there disagrees. While corrupt by our standards, Ukraine doesn't have the level of corruption that Russia does, at least since they deposed Yanukovich. Ukraine doesn't invade its neighbors for fun and has resisted drafting its young men. As long as the population of Ukraine thinks it is a better place than Russia, that is all that matters, not your opinion.