Posted on 04/19/2025 9:31:54 PM PDT by Red Badger
I remember when ethanol was promoted.
The local radio station set up a race at the state fair. two small equal cars at a low speed and the cars did just the same in mileage.
Increase the weight and speed and you get quite different results.
Everything has appropriate application. I have 2000 dodge caravan and around town errand’s it is a good deal with the 85% ethanol. When I leave town with a load, I take the suburban.
Breaks down in 24 months.
Is Bojan a terrible editor, or the actual AI’s name? This article is full of incorrect words, missing periods, etc..
Thanks for the info on the tomato sauce. Scary stuff.
When the battery dies does the owner just buy another car and also keep paying for the old car? or do they buy another battery for nearly the price of the car? Does the car work without the battery?
Either way the owner is out a lot of money when the battery dies.
Engrish may not be his first language...........
In the US, plugin hybrid batteries have an 8 year or 100K mile warranty. If you don’t put a lot of miles on the car, the car should be paid off before the battery conks out..
“Agreed. 30 minutes to charge to 80% isn’t exactly impressive. It’s embarrassing.”
That’s only for the LFP pack it’s fuel tank for the engine can filled in however fast the pump can put 60 liters in the tank which would be under 5 min in China.
I have been driven in BYD electrics in Shanghai they are solid as any BMW they.were cloned off of.
Given it’s a plug in hybrid they didn’t need to add 300kw 800V fast DC charging, 30 min in a 25kWh pack is 50kw at a perfectly reasonable 2C rate. LFP cells will do 6000+ full DOD cycles at 2C rates. The beauty of this is your first 60 ish miles is off cheap plug power you can charge at home then if you need to go farther the engine kicks in an gives you multiple hundreds of miles more with 5 min stops between those hundreds. Plus by only running the engine at peak performance you get crazy good mpg. They say 0.97 liters per 60 miles that has to be kilometers as ‘97L over 60 miles with 3.78 L to a US gallon is over 200 mpg makes more sense at .97L/60km
BYD has a QI plug in that has returned in real.world traffic 2L/100km that’s 108 US gal per mile ,confirmed a couple of times by different testers with ride along film crews in the cars as they drove around a major Chinese city in traffic typical.for them. The course of as well over 100km so not a short hypermile course just a solid half.day of city driving in a major city. Impressive is an understatement. They are simply leaving the USA behind in automotive tech. Nearly every new car has at least L2 automotive this one has L3 with no less than 3 radars and 16 sonars plus 360 God view camera’s.
“They do have a lot of coal plants for charging.”
China is petroleum poor, yet electricity rich. They have the urban density to make EVs and hybrids the dominate choice and they are 51% of the largest auto market on the planet as of last year is EV or hybrids.
China has 30 new reactors in construction as of this year and is planning 150 in the next 15 years. They have built their Tianwan 6 reactor from first shovel to critical in 61 months.
They also have built huge solar fields in the deserts and run massive HVDC lines to huge converters that feed the one million volt AC distribution lines in the high density western China. No one anywhere is doing power transfers of this scale they are unmatched in size and capacity.
https://globaltransmission.info/chinas-sgcc-makes-progress-on-1000-kv-sichuan-chongqing-uhv-ac-line/
They have huge wind fields also feeding HVDC and that massive HVAC grid. They h he more than enough electricity to have billions of EVs this has been their plan all along. Eliminate imported hydrocarbons by using nukes, solar ,wind and in the beginning coal. They import most of their coal so that is also marked for replacement it is a national security plan for them.
You can make ethanol from water, CO2 and electrons. You also can make it from syngas (CO,H2) via bacteria fermentation.
LanzaTech are big boys in the chemicals world they have more than one multiple million gallon per year set ups in China using CO gas from steel mills which would be waste instead they make fuel with it.
LanzaTech also makes 100+ other chemicals via it’s engineered bacteria who turn out in a 1:10 ratio single cell protein to liquid or gas product they have a fixed bed process that drops that to near 1:100 the protein is complete with all 9 essential amino acids. They are also commercializing a process that goes in the other direction it only makes complete protein from CO and or H2 gases via bacteria that eat either as it’s energy source, if fed H2 a carbon source like CO2 is needed. Same types of bacteria can eat protons directly when from the H2 side of a water spitting electrolysis cells thus going directly from electrons to whatever that GMO bacteria is programmed to spit out. So far any of the alcohols, most of the sugars, fatty acids,starch,cellulose,proteins all have been programmed into bacteria or archea cells that can “eat” protons directly.
https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2017/06/discovery-sustainable-source-ethanol
https://www.ornl.gov/news/nano-spike-catalysts-convert-carbon-dioxide-directly-ethanol
Thanks.
I wonder if China only went with the wind & solar segment for the political export angle rather than practical.
Musk should come up with a DIC car. Direct Injection Coal.
It could be named the Coalsla
my point is ethanol does not contains as much energy but has application in certain situations.
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