Bone box of Jesus' brother discovered in Israel

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[dforest]

Biblical times Goofus and Gallant. LOL

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> In Aramaic, the word brothers can also mean cousins.

Greek, the language the inspired words were recorded in has a word for cousins that could have been used if he were a cousin.

• ἀνεψιός (anepsios): This word explicitly means “cousin” and is used in the New Testament, such as in Colossians 4:10, where Mark is referred to as the cousin of Barnabas.

•συγγενής (syngenēs): This term is broader and means “relative” or “kinsman.” It could include cousins but was not specific to them. It is used in Luke 1:36 to describe Elizabeth’s relationship to Mary.

Mary and Joseph, after the birth of Christ, obediently fulfilled the command for marital intimacy and procreated.

[Bikkuri]

You are well known for spewing propaganda.
Keep in your own lane and post over on DU.

[Varda]

This box could be completely authentic but it doesn’t mean that the inscription is about a biological relationship. If this was an early Christian then he would have called himself a brother of Jesus.

[PIF]

James the Brother of Jesus: The Key to Unlocking the Secrets of Early Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls Paperback - March 1, 1998
https://www.amazon.com/dp/014025773X/?coliid=I2IMYK5AWY5PVB&colid=1KMJZ9HYAO5OX&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_gv_ov_lig_pi_dp

“Whoever Jesus was, so was James.”

[If You Want It Fixed - Fix It]

I think every other grave in South America states the same thing.

[Torahman]

Well, theyre wrong. He had brothers; its OK, don’t panic.

[imardmd1]

Are you speaking for Harmless Teddy Bear?

I have no need for an ossuary of bones to convince me thoroughly of the Deity and substitutional sacrifice of a Real Messiah Lamb of God, and His resurrection from a pool of dead disinregrated human bodies, and His ascension into the spiritual dimension of God's Heaven as a living human of flesh and bones, and His continuing residence there to constantly hear the prayers of the souls of His Kingdom, and to represent them as a paraclete to His Father.

A fair, precise translation of the accurately preserved original written testimony of God's Words is sufficient for me. In cobtrasr, there are several less able man-made religious denominations that try to propagate The Faith (which they do not understand) by the use of physical force, claimed objects and relics from a questionable past source, and forbidden imagery and art, presented to a population kept ignorant under their control, strenuous efforts that seen by a truly spirit-born servant-disciple-herald of Messiah make him cringe.

Trying to discern Harmless Teddy Bear's "authority" is why I asked, not of you, but of the person employing that username.

Capisce?

It is the Spirit, now present in this dimension, another Comforter/Advocate sent by the Son and His Father, that convinces the human soul through bringing the knowledge of Sin, of Righteousness, and of Judgment that draws a person to the Christ of the Cross, makes him/her aware of His Presence and Work, and in which the narrative given by the Holy Spirit glorifies Him.

It is that intangible confidence alone which brings conversion through a repentant change of mind, and the gift of absolute everlasting life that is consequent to regeneration of that individual as a new-born entity--a new human being--in the spiritual realm, which is real but intangible to the fleshly portion of a person.

The flesh body is the earthly residence that must be shed, disengaged, divorced from the immaculate new soul of that human, so that he/she may be borne by angels into God's Heaven. into His Presence.

So again, who/what is Harmless Teddy Bear's authority upon which he/she depends? Is it thee True Authority that imparts eternal life (ζωή dzohay in the Greek), or only tangible items that, though feeding the physical continuity of hunger and sensuality (βίος beeos in Greek), can never bring one birth or survival in the spirit realm.

It is the denominations whose belief is on antiquarian objects or questionable "miracles" that despise and dispute the appearance of tangible articles and faith without present miracles that contest their false doctrines.

[alancarp]

...and that’s what I expected to hear: good job by you.

[SunkenCiv]

• Called 'Most Significant Item from Time of Christ,' Bone Box of Jesus's Brother Makes Its Way to US [12/25/2024]
• Ancient Box Supposedly Containing the Remains of Jesus' Brother Set for Public Display [01/01/2014]
• The Forgery Trial of the Century Ends [03/15/2012]
• Two cleared of faking Jesus-era box [03/15/2012]
• 2000-Year-Old Burial Box Could Reveal Location of the Family of Caiaphas [08/29/2011]
• '2,000-year-old Jesus box' may not be a fake, as Jerusalem forgery trial nears collapses [10/29/2008]
• Scholars say Jesus box may be genuine (Scholars: Israel's labeling of the find as a fake premature) [11/25/2003]
• Scholars say Jesus box may be genuine [11/25/2003]

[Liz]

It’s not an “opinion.” Its the result of intense study......

Noone has the research documents the Catholic Church has accumulated in some 2000 years.

[imardmd1]

That can't be, because that would have made herconception in her mother's womb not immaculate, wouldn;t it. Then Jesus would have been conceived of and resident in a non-immaculate womb, eh?

Thus disproving their man-made dogma about His sinlessness. Otherwise, a few centuries ago they would not have been able to clain the they "knew" how that came about, that their knowledge would have bee superior to the laymen, and so would have had to say, "We just don't yet know yet, but we have full confidence from the extant Scriptures alone that He was sinless. So you need to have that full assurance also, for the Scriptures are our authority for our persuasion."

(On the eve before His crucifixion, the ir Rabbi told the listening disciples:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. " [Jn. 16:12-14 AV].

They had not at the time the canon of the New Covenant, only the spoken word and physical deportment of Jesus Messiah, upon Whom our New Testament Scriptures hinge.)

On this basis the RCD does not subscribe to the fact that James and Jude that wrote their epistles were the children of Joseph, Mary's husband and Jesus' brothers, and said so.

[Liz]

Bone box of Jesus’ brother discovered in Israel.....2,000-year-old
bone box etched with the name of Jesus’ brother discovered in Israel.

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Yawn.......anything to discredit Catholicism.

What next? Jesus’ marriage license?

[faucetman]

This is OLD news.

[Paal Gulli]

If Noah had had all the fragments of the “true cross” currently in circulation, he wouldn’t have needed to cut down a single gopherwood tree to build the ark.

For centuries Catholic clergy created “holy relics” and sold them as genuine to unsuspecting rubes. The most notorious examples were pig’s bones sold as the bones of saints. It was such a common and well-known practice that Chaucer mocked it in his Canterbury Tales.

Since then the counterfitters have only gotten more sophisticated. Just from the sheer volume of fakes that were manufactured, the odds that anything today represented as a period-correct “holy relic” are authentic is miniscule.

The documentary film “The History Merchants” alleges that Oded Golan was part of a team engaged in industrial manufacture of antiquities. He was acquitted of forgery in the case of the Jesus ossuary but that doesn’t explain why he never sued anyone involved with the film portraying him as a forger for slander.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/oded-golan-is-not-guilty-of-forgery-so-is-the-james-ossuary-for-real/

In his ruling Wednesday, the judge went out of his way to say that the fact Golan had been found not guilty did not mean the artifacts were real.

His decision to clear Golan of forging the inscription on the James ossuary, he wrote, “does not mean that the inscription on the ossuary is authentic or that it was written 2,000 years ago. This will continue to be studied by scientists and archaeologists, and time will tell.”

Moreover, he wrote, “it was not proven in any way that the words ‘the brother of Jesus’ necessarily refer to the ‘Jesus’ who appears in Christian writings.”

[Beowulf9]

The whole point is not whether Jesus had a brother or a cousin but if that bone box is written by someone who was considered his brother and was called so, even if they did consider him a cousin but back then called him a brother.

It deserves more investigation as to whether that is genuine or not. I don’t know if they can provide those answers with any technology. If the patina was disturbed in a prior investigation.

[Beowulf9]

Hey, SunkenCiv 🖐

thanks :)

The links here are great :)

[Beowulf9]

Everyone seems to think I put that article on here because I thought it was new. I knew it was not. That is why I did not post it under ‘news’ but under ‘chat.

I wanted to put it up here because it did have the photo of the Ossuary and made reference to it being found, an amazing find really, the box is definitely from that time and they only practiced putting bones in Ossuary’s from 20AD to 70AD, that in itself is amazing.

It’s close to Easter. I found it appropos. There has been much since about it. See Sunken Civs references i post 50.

[Carl Vehse]

The box is not “the whole point” in this blog since there are at least seven posts dealing with the issue of whether Jesus had younger brothers and sisters or whether those described in Scripture are his cousins or children of Joseph from a previous marriage, etc.

[Lowell1775]

If there’s any DNA left in the bones, they could test it against the d.N.A of the Shroud of Turin results from 2015.