Press review: Ukraine gets ready to host foreign troops as US prepares for trade war

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Press review: Ukraine gets ready to host foreign troops as US prepares for trade war , pierrem15 wrote:
No NATO troops are on the ground (yet) in Ukraine. There may be some contractors for maintenance or training. That's it.
The only participation has been indirect by providing intel or instructions on how to target weapons from US bases in Germany. That's what the NY Times talked about. Not troops on the ground.
The constant refrain that "NATO is already in Ukraine" is copium for the fact that the Russians are incapable of defeating the despised hohols and justification for continuing the war.
You know that Trump said Ukraine doesn't have any cards to play? He means Ukraine lost and Russia is in control of all the essentials.
There are still NATO troops, including US 'retired' military in Ukraine. The US allowed troops to 'retire' and go fight in Ukraine, and then re-enter the military upon return during Biden's regime. Biden era CIA and other intel are there in Ukraine, fighting but putting Ukrainians in all the worst locations. Western nations contribute operators when they donate MANPADS and various pieces of equipment. It's not just 'some contractors'. NATO wants regime change in RUssia and has worked for decades to get to the point they're at now. They are not trusting Zelensky, the comedian who plays piano with his genitals, to deliver Russia to them. NATO has been running this war - in person and in bunkers and locations in Germany, and NATO lost. NATO nations gave it their best shot and are now transitioning to desperate attempts to get the war started between US and Russia.

Zelensky really has no cards — by autumn there will be no one and nothing to fight with — MP Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/04/06/zelensky-really-has-no-cards-by-autumn-there-will-be-no-one-and-nothing-to-fight-with-mp
EurAsia Daily ^ | 4-6-25 | Unknown to me
Posted on 4/6/2025, 5:57:16 PM by bimboeruption
Either the head of the Kiev regime, Vladimir Zelensky, will conclude a truce on acceptable terms, or Ukraine will face a collapse of the front before autumn, the war is over. This was stated by Verkhovna Rada deputy Alexander Dubinsky.
According to him, the official number of desertion cases registered by the State Bureau of Investigations is 175,435 as of April 1. In reality, the MP notes, 60-70% of desertion cases are recorded, that is, in fact, "about 250 thousand people are on the run today, or a third (!) of the Ukrainian army."
"Add here about the same number of missing persons — and you get the same numbers. 250-300 thousand are really fighting in our country against about 600 thousand Russians. This is exactly the situation that (US President Donald) Trump describes to Zelensky when he says that he has no cards in his hands. By autumn there will be no one to fight with and nothing. No matter how brutal the tetsekashniki.
The "peacekeeping" contingent also looks ridiculous against this background, because it will not provide even 10% of the necessary troops. Therefore, except as detachments.
Zelensky can roost as much as he likes — the war is over. Either he concludes a truce on acceptable terms, or Ukraine expects the collapse of the front before autumn. Not yet a defeat, but a heavy blow," Dubinsky writes in his telegram channel.
ransomnote adds:
Verkhovna Rada
National parliament of Ukraine
rada.gov.ua
The Verkhovna Rada, officially the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, is the unicameral parliament of Ukraine. It consists of 450 deputies, who are presided over by a speaker. Wikipedia

Obama already deployed units of the 173rd Airborne brigade to Ukraine while the Russian army was invading Ukraine. WW3 didn’t start, obviously. For nearly 100 years we’ve seen that the Moscoqw Kremlin’s useful fools couldn’t less about actual facts. They just want those who oppose their corrupt regime dead or disenfranchised/displaced. And they don’t care which.

Many weapons systems like MANPADS are designed to be used by conscripts, i.e., the lowest common denominator, with a minimal amount of training. Others like tanks and aircraft require more training and especially specialized maintenance. Either Ukrainians have been trained to do so or contractors have been brought in to do the maintenance. Some equipment may be returned to Poland, repaired, and shipped back. The notion that their are significant numbers of ex-NATO troops fighting in Ukraine is simply absurd: there are a few units with a few thousand foreign volunteers. That's all.

Despite its enormous advantage in numbers of aircraft on paper, Russia can't even enforce air supremacy over Ukraine. And this despite the fact that Ukraine has only a few dozen aircraft.

The Ukrainians have learned how to do defense in depth very effectively: whatever small gains Russia makes cost it an enormous number of losses. If they can keep doing so, Russia may simply run out of men.

My belief is that Putin will try to capture all of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhia. The first is likely, the second possible but unlikely and the third and fourth very unlikely. He simply does not have the men and equipment necessary to do so.

If Russia “can’t even defeat Ukraine on the ground”, how is it that Putin is intent on driving all the way to the Atlantic, as the corrupt little punk Zelensky, Macron, Starmer, et al. and the entire globalist media narrative is propagandizing?idjit

-fJRoberts-

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Press review: Ukraine gets ready to host foreign troops as US prepares for trade war , pierrem15 wrote:
Many weapons systems like MANPADS are designed to be used by conscripts, i.e., the lowest common denominator, with a minimal amount of training. Others like tanks and aircraft require more training and especially specialized maintenance. Either Ukrainians have been trained to do so or contractors have been brought in to do the maintenance. Some equipment may be returned to Poland, repaired, and shipped back. The notion that their are significant numbers of ex-NATO troops fighting in Ukraine is simply absurd: there are a few units with a few thousand foreign volunteers. That's all.
Despite its enormous advantage in numbers of aircraft on paper, Russia can't even enforce air supremacy over Ukraine. And this despite the fact that Ukraine has only a few dozen aircraft.
The Ukrainians have learned how to do defense in depth very effectively: whatever small gains Russia makes cost it an enormous number of losses. If they can keep doing so, Russia may simply run out of men.
My belief is that Putin will try to capture all of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhia. The first is likely, the second possible but unlikely and the third and fourth very unlikely. He simply does not have the men and equipment necessary to do so.
Western operators are sent with advanced equipment. NATO boots are on the ground, along with CIA and other Intel agencies.
You're saying Russia is helpless and can't win even though Russia defeated NATO and even the Ukraine's Rada is saying so. The death rate has always favored Russia - NATO gave Ukraine old obsolete hardware until NATO ran out of it. You make the point that Ukraine doesn't have military assets and then you say they are winning? I will be glad when the Ukrainian lying stops - all you're doing is extending the deaths of whatever Ukrainians remain.
NATO/Ukraine lost the proxy war. I believe Trump, not you.
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ransomnote adds:
Verkhovna Rada
National parliament of Ukraine
rada.gov.ua
The Verkhovna Rada, officially the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, is the unicameral parliament of Ukraine. It consists of 450 deputies, who are presided over by a speaker. Wikipedia
Zelensky really has no cards — by autumn there will be no one and nothing to fight with — MP
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/04/06/zelensky-really-has-no-cards-by-autumn-there-will-be-no-one-and-nothing-to-fight-with-mp
EurAsia Daily ^ | 4-6-25 | Unknown to me
Posted on 4/6/2025, 5:57:16 PM by bimboeruption
Either the head of the Kiev regime, Vladimir Zelensky, will conclude a truce on acceptable terms, or Ukraine will face a collapse of the front before autumn, the war is over. This was stated by Verkhovna Rada deputy Alexander Dubinsky.
According to him, the official number of desertion cases registered by the State Bureau of Investigations is 175,435 as of April 1. In reality, the MP notes, 60-70% of desertion cases are recorded, that is, in fact, "about 250 thousand people are on the run today, or a third (!) of the Ukrainian army."
"Add here about the same number of missing persons — and you get the same numbers. 250-300 thousand are really fighting in our country against about 600 thousand Russians. This is exactly the situation that (US President Donald) Trump describes to Zelensky when he says that he has no cards in his hands. By autumn there will be no one to fight with and nothing. No matter how brutal the tetsekashniki.

A tripwire. what a novel idea by EU warpigs!

-fJRoberts-

driving all the way to the Atlantic

In the usual manner: step by step. Ukraine now, the Baltics next.

This will be accompanied by propaganda and destabilization operations as in Slovakia. Plus ad hoc alliances between Putin and local political groups.

"If the Brits are stupid enuf (and I think they are) to deploy troops to Ukraine, then the population of Britain better get ready for some kinetic fun on *their* homeland."

Exactly. While this country was overseas fighting the spread of communism in proxy wars against China and Russia in Korea and Vietnam, we took our eye off the ball at home, and domestic communism took hold here and blossomed over the decades to what it is now. Britain has already shown that they can't defend their own country and people from the invaders that they've welcomed there. How the hell do they expect to send troops to Ukraine, and not have shit go kerflooey back home?

I’m old enough to note that some of the things being posted sound an awful lot like arguments during the leadup to US troops being sent in strength to SE Asia. I worry about things like a German brigade in Lithuania, or US advisors in Ukraine. I would like for my granddaughters to live in a world where idiots were not egging on bigger wars.

I agree with you: "gradual escalation" is the preferred bureaucratic response because it diffuses risk and responsibility. If it succeeds, everyone takes credit. If it fails, everyone can say, "my part worked out."

It hides the main problem, which is strategic confusion: What is the desired endgame in Ukraine, and, more broadly with Russia?

I have never thought Ukraine would get all it's territory back because Western powers are not willing to put their own forces in to boot the Russians out. I think the object should be that Russia gets as little as possible from the current war, so recognition of Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea as part of Russia but the Russians have to cough up the occupied parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia. Transnistria should go back to Moldova, so three's no longer any excuse for Russian hanky-panky over Transnistria.

That leaves security arrangements for Ukraine, because I don't think they will accept any lasting ceasefire that simply gives Russia the opportunity to regroup, re-equip and attack again. For them, keeping Russia pinned down at the current rate of attrition is better than a phony peace and subsequent attack.

You just said they couldn’t do it.
Schizophrenia much ?

evidence?...
didn’t think so

I said Russia could do it step by step, if it is allowed to win in Ukraine now. I said it may not be able to win if Ukraine can keep killing Russians at a high enough ratio and keep Russia’s advance at a crawl as it is currently doing. Note the “ifs”.

Russia has already pulled in the North Koreans... So they are not in much of a position to complain.

Not sure the Europeans are prepared for what is coming.

People forget the other assassination in Nov 1963.
Diem, president of South Vietnam, whose erstwhile American ally,
John Foster Dulles, conspired with the military of South Vietnam to stage a coup,
ending with Diem's death.
Image is Diem with Dulles being greeted by President Eisenhour in DC.

Zelensky take note, America is fickle, poke at your peril.

What evidence do you have? I see the Ukrainians taking back some areas near Pokrovsk, half of Toretsk, small advances into Belgorad, etc. Meanwhile I see the Russians using civilian cars, donkeys, or electric scooters to advance suggesting a severe shortage of vehicles. And when they do muster enough armor, they still send them out in single column along a road like sitting ducks for drones, artillery, and ATGMs, just like 2022.

The fact of the matter is that neither side has the capability for combined arms at an operational level, which is why the war often resembles WWI more than WWII. But this is not France with only a narrow front and maybe a 100 miles of strategic depth, but Ukraine, with hundreds of miles of both width and depth.

Right now the primary threat to Zelensky is his own army: if he is seen as capitulating to the Russians he will be removed, like the French army in Algeria sought to remove de Gaulle.

As we encouraged the military in Vietnam,
maybe there is a 1 REP with a Jean Pierre in Ukraine.
Zelensky is calling for too many fires and burning too many bridges.