Posted on 03/19/2025 10:12:54 AM PDT by hardspunned
You are so incorrect
About what? The FBI agent I referred to is named Paul Landis and his book is available from Amazon.
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[March, 1961] Oswald attended a trade union dance with a friend, Erik Titovyets, at the Palace of Culture for Professional Workers in Minsk. The dance followed a lecture by a Russian woman who had recently returned from a trip to the United States.Page 703Marina Nikolayevna Prusakova arrived too late to hear the lecture but was at the dance. Oswald noticed her and asked Yuriy Merezhinskiy, the son of the lecturer and a friend of both Oswald and Marina, to introduce him to her.
Oswald asked her to dance. According to the diary, they liked each other immediately and he obtained her telephone number before she left.
Marina testified that she told Oswald that she might see him at another dance, but did not give him her telephone number. Oswald was smitten.
Marina was 18 when she arrived in Minsk. She had boyfriends in Leningrad but was not interested in marriage. In October 1960 she started work in the drug section of the Third Clinical Hospital where she earned about 450 rubles per month; at about the same time she became a member of the local Komsomol, the Communist youth organization.Her friends were mostly students, whose social life consisted of meeting in cafes to sip coffee, read newspapers, gossip, and carry on discussions. The group of friends "ran together," and Marina did not attach herself to a particular boyfriend.
She enjoyed this life, which she had been leading for about 7 months when she met Oswald at the dance at the Palace of Culture in March 1961.
When Marina met Oswald, she thought he was from one of the Russian-speaking Baltic countries because he spoke with an accent; later that same evening she learned that he was an American.
She met him again at another dance a week later. They danced together most of the evening, at the end of which he walked home with her. They arranged to meet again the following week.
Before the scheduled time, Oswald called to say that he was in the hospital and that Marina should visit him there. Medical records furnished to the Commission by the Russian Government show that Oswald was admitted to the Clinical Hospital - Ear, Nose, and Throat Division, on Thursday, March 30, 1961.
Marina visited him often, taking advantage of her uniform to visit him outside regular visiting hours, which were only on Sunday. On Easter Sunday, the first Sunday after his admission to the hospital, she brought him an Easter egg. On a subsequent visit, he asked her to be his fiancee, and she agreed to consider it. He left the hospital on April 11.
Paul Landis, a former Secret Service agent, and Gerald Posner, author of “Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK,” are connected by Landis’s recent revelations about the JFK assassination, which Posner has commented on, acknowledging the need to take Landis’s account seriously, but also expressing some doubts about the certainty of his memories after nearly six decades.
Here’s a more detailed breakdown:
Paul Landis’s Story:
In 2023, after decades of silence, Paul Landis, a former Secret Service agent who was present at Parkland Hospital during the JFK assassination, came forward with a new account, claiming he saw a bullet on Governor Connally’s gurney and took it, then left it at the hospital.
Gerald Posner’s Perspective:
Gerald Posner, known for his book “Case Closed,” which argues that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, has commented on Landis’s revelations. He acknowledges that Landis’s account “has to be taken seriously”.
Posner’s Doubts:
Posner also raises questions about the reliability of Landis’s memory after such a long time, noting that interviews from people inside the emergency room at Parkland Hospital do not mention Landis’s presence.
For Landis to wait 60 years to say anything, and he is in no one else’s memory as being in the ER at the time, makes his account not credible,
Case Closed. Best book of many that I have read and documentary’s I have watched and heard.
Oswald and the crew from the factory he worked at in Minsk.
Americas Untold story has a episode about his time in Minsk, it also talks a good deal about a Deep State operative, Lawrence Schiller. That alone is worth watching the episode. Schiller is like Forrest Gump, he’s everywhere !
Maybe the deep state was planning on killing Kennedy, but Oswald got him first totally unrelated/unconnected to their plans.
So the people who saw him shoot Tippit were CIA operatives? And the guy who followed Oswald to the theater and called the cops was a CIA operative. And the cop that Oswald tried to shoot in the theater was a CIA operative too? And Oswald's wife, who told investigators that it was Oswald who tried to kill General Walker a few weeks before, she was a CIA operative too.
Hell, everybody was a CIA operative and Oswald was just a patsy.
Atsugi was a spook hotbed. U2 flights originated at Atsugi.
At the time Oswald "defected" to Russia he wasn't the only former U.S. military member having recently left service that sought entry into Russia.
Correct—my memory was that Angleton (CIA Chief of Counterintelligence) sent seven or eight agents into Russia as spies. They were all military folks given Russian language training.
He knew they would have limited success but at that time it was very difficult to get intel from inside Russia so he viewed these folks as expendable so he had nothing to lose.
The phrase “conspiracy theory” is, like “follow the science”, designed to ridicule and obfuscate.
Oswald’s Soviet connections are of course well-known. I think casual observers remain unaware of Ruth Paine (still alive at 93)’s role. She met Oswald and his Russian wife through a Russian emigre community party (Ruth being a student of the Russian language) in February of ‘63 and only two months Ruth later invited the wife & daughter to live with her. Ruth Paine helped Oswald get the job at the Book Depository that put him in position to shoot Kennedy. Oswald spent the night before the assassination in Paine’s house. Oswald stored the rifle in Paine’s garage. Oswald typed a letter to the Soviet embassy on Paine’s typewriter. And Oswald called Paine from the jail after his arrest. Ok, so what were Paine’s connections to the CIA?
- Ruth Paine’s sister, Sylvia Hyde Hoke, was listed as a CIA employee in a 1961 Falls Church, Virginia directory, according to a declassified 1971 CIA document from the Office of Security. Ruth visited Sylvia in September 1963 while traveling, though she has stated she knew nothing of her sister’s CIA connection. Sylvia’s husband, John Hoke, also worked for USAID…
- Ruth Paine’s mother-in-law, Ruth Forbes Paine Young, was a close friend of Mary Bancroft, [ex-OSS] who was a known mistress of former CIA Director Allen Dulles. Bancroft and Dulles spent time with Ruth Forbes on the Forbes family’s private Naushon Island near Cape Cod. Ruth Paine has said she never met Bancroft but confirmed her mother-in-law acknowledged the friendship.
- Ruth Paine’s father, William Avery Hyde, worked for the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) starting in 1964 with the reports he wrote at USAID routed to both the State Department and the CIA. The CIA also considered him for a covert operation in Vietnam in 1957, though he did not ultimately participate.
- Oswald was introduced to Paine by George Mohrenschildt, a Russian emigre with extensive CIA connections. In 1964, Mohrenschildt told the FBI that CIA official J.W. Moore had instructed him to keep an eye on Oswald. In 1977, Mohrenschildt wrote that Moore had instructed him to introduce Oswald to Paine.
- Finally, laughably, Allen Dulles, who JFK had fired as CIA director after the Bay of Pigs fiasco and who was known to be bitter about that, was put on the Warren Commission. Dulles questioned Ruth Paine and her husband Michael Paine under oath without ever disclosing that he knew Ruth Paine’s mother in law through his mistress and had visited Forbes family island because of that relationship. He surely knew the connection but that knowledge does not appear to be documented.
Ok, sorry for the long post but anyone downplaying a CIA connection with Oswald is probably not aware of the above. So hopefully that was a Freeper public service of value to somebody!
It was said when the Dallas police showed up at Ruth’s house the day of the assassination, she answered the door and said “We’ve been expecting you”.
Conceptually, there is a great difference between a lawyer's argument and a balanced evaluation by a judge or historian. For anyone arguing in favor of the Warren Commission, one has to ask, why would you take on such a task when you are denied thousands of pages of important evidence that could prove embarrassing when revealed?
As for Landis's account, he had good reason to keep quiet. He did not want to be fired by the FBI and disgraced by claims from them and from Warren Commission supporters designed to embarrass him and make him unemployable in law enforcement. For any man with a career and a family to support, it is a matter of keeping quiet to protect people you love and are obliged to put before yourself.
I’ll add this.
He didn’t take a shot at General Walker, either.
No one has seriously contested that. But I sure would.
Keep in mind that Walker was a closeted perv, like Hoover. He would go along with ANYTHING. J Edgar had the pictures, probably. All they had to do was say that a bullet was coming through his window, he won’t be killed, but just to act scared.
The Post was always a CIA front. Woodward was obviously CIA.
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